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May 11, 2011 at 1:19 am #160260VernParticipant
Does anybody have any advice on Alimony Recapture. I can’t understand it at all. Any tips. Thanks
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May 11, 2011 at 1:23 am #402071HerbieherbParticipant
I had problems with it too…best thing to do is dl the worksheet and instructions from Irs.gov and keep practicing. It will.give u step by step. Theres no logical rhyme or reason for any of the way its calculated :/
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May 11, 2011 at 5:15 am #402072jeffKeymasterIt's to keep divorcees from front-loading alimony as a tax savings strategy. Remember, you can write alimony off and it's include in income for the spouse that receives it. This would seem like a wash from the IRS perspective, but if the payor is in a higher tax bracket than the recipient, then not so much.
Straight from my REG NINJA (https://www.another71.com/cpa-review-store/)
ALIMONY RECAPTURE
-2nd Year: (3rd year – 2nd year – $15,000)
– 1st Year:
1st Year Alimony Paid
<Avg alimony paid in 2nd & 3rd years>
<$15,000>
<Recapture from 2nd year>
=1st Year Alimony Recapture
– Total Recapture = 1st Year Recapture + 2nd Year
Recapture
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REG - 92May 11, 2011 at 5:32 am #402073osidecompassParticipantI didn't see anything about this in Becker? Where was it discussed (if at all)? Are there any other topics to watch out for?
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REG - 90 (5/30/11)May 11, 2011 at 1:19 pm #402074rmm91909Participanthmm maybe a video on a problem… just saying 🙂 I think where I am getting confused with the equation above is with problem #26 in the Wiley book where with year 1 recapture the last step is to subtract the recapture from the 2nd year. If I do that then I do not get the right answer I would be back at $27,500 for a total rather than $32,500?
May 11, 2011 at 2:03 pm #40207532CPAParticipant@Osidecompass… “I didn't see anything about this in Becker? Where was it discussed (if at all)? Are there any other topics to watch out for?”
I used Becker for my first shot at REG and never heard of it either… Phil Yaeger goes over it in his cram, and I would assume the full course as well. It is a complex issue that I would assume examiners would love to throw at you in their “difficult” level questions. This is one of my main beef's with Becker… they completely brush over this issue and it's perfectly fair game to be tested. Yaeger in his review course says he had a student come to him and tell him that he/she got a question on it and felt comfortable after his lecture.
@original poster… one way to look at alimony recapture is a lot like 1245 or 291 recapture from your 1231 assets. Over the last few years you have been taking depreciation deductions on those assets and therefore paid tax on lower income. When you sell it, you have to recapture those old expenses as income (ordinary) so that you don't get the expense benefit AND 1231 favorable treatment.
Same goes with the alimony. If you are paying alimony and like Jeff said, are front loading it, the Gov't says “not so fast my friend.” You will need to recapture.
A good thing to think about when studying for REG (mind you, this is advice from someone that failed it), remember that the Gov't always wants more than their fair share. For instance when determining our basis in inherited property for a loss, it's the lesser of FMV or rollover basis resulting in the smaller loss, and if it's sold for a gain, it's the rollover basis resulting in the bigger gain (in most cases). Same goes for alimony recapture.
I have to guess that since alimony is above the line with no limitations, it'd be a great place to over expense in years that you have high income… this helps even it out. That's purely my opinion, not anything I've read or seen in lectures.
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REG - Pass 05/2011May 11, 2011 at 2:42 pm #402076rmm91909ParticipantMay 11, 2011 at 11:31 pm #402077VernParticipantThe cram is solid. It's about 20 hours; so it's not quick. I have a hard time getting going with the home study because of the length. I'm leaning toward only buying the cram for BUS. He covers just about everything in the cram that he did in the home study except he doesn't go over questions. If you already have the home study, they only charge $50 the Cram.
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BEC ??May 12, 2011 at 12:35 pm #40207832CPAParticipant@rmm91909… you asked the $1M question. 9 out of 10 posts of mine are raving about how great the crams are. Now with the crams, they only go through a handful of questions, but during the lectures they SHOW you how to calculate things… unlike Becker. I can't think of any time Becker showed you how to calculate anything in their powerpoint.
Also, they don't give instructor support for the cram only customers (if you are a home study customer with a cram, you can).
I give 99% credit to the Yaeger Cram (1% to me) for FAR and BEC passing scores. AUD, I did less cram, more Becker, but that's a memorization exam. I failed REG becuase I had an outdated cram and Becker.
If it weren't for the crams, I would not be 3/4 done. Now, for anyone reading this… I do not suggest buying ONLY a cram. You should use it after you complete your course (Yaeger, Becker, Bisk, etc). In the crams they are reminding you of the concepts, while re-teaching it to you.
Best $$$ I ever spent.
* I do not work for Yaeger. Just one happy customer.
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REG - Pass 05/2011May 12, 2011 at 12:45 pm #402079rmm91909ParticipantPerfect thanks so much! I am a Yaeger student so I kind of luck out where there was to much information for a quick update they are selling the cram really cheap to students! Looks like I will be purchasing 🙂
March 6, 2013 at 3:05 am #402080jpat1980Memberhere is the formula
R3=P1+P2-2(P3)-37,500
R3=Recapture for year 3
P=payment for according year
Front-loading rules do not apply to amounts tied to business profits.
So payments that fluctuate because of a continuing liability to pay a fixed portion of income from business, property, or services are not subject to the excess front-loading rules. So the amount paid in the corresponding year is deductible as is
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