Alimony Recapture – REG

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    Vern
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    Does anybody have any advice on Alimony Recapture. I can’t understand it at all. Any tips. Thanks

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  • #402071
    Herbieherb
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    I had problems with it too…best thing to do is dl the worksheet and instructions from Irs.gov and keep practicing. It will.give u step by step. Theres no logical rhyme or reason for any of the way its calculated :/

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    #402072
    jeff
    Keymaster

    It's to keep divorcees from front-loading alimony as a tax savings strategy. Remember, you can write alimony off and it's include in income for the spouse that receives it. This would seem like a wash from the IRS perspective, but if the payor is in a higher tax bracket than the recipient, then not so much.

    Straight from my REG NINJA (https://www.another71.com/cpa-review-store/)

    ALIMONY RECAPTURE

    -2nd Year: (3rd year – 2nd year – $15,000)

    – 1st Year:

    1st Year Alimony Paid

    <Avg alimony paid in 2nd & 3rd years>

    <$15,000>

    <Recapture from 2nd year>

    =1st Year Alimony Recapture

    – Total Recapture = 1st Year Recapture + 2nd Year

    Recapture

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    Jeff Elliott, CPA (KS)
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    #402073
    osidecompass
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    I didn't see anything about this in Becker? Where was it discussed (if at all)? Are there any other topics to watch out for?

    AUD - 99 (10/4/10)
    FAR - 92 (11/29/10)
    BEC - 87 (1/24/11)
    REG - 90 (5/30/11)

    #402074
    rmm91909
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    hmm maybe a video on a problem… just saying 🙂 I think where I am getting confused with the equation above is with problem #26 in the Wiley book where with year 1 recapture the last step is to subtract the recapture from the 2nd year. If I do that then I do not get the right answer I would be back at $27,500 for a total rather than $32,500?

    #402075
    32CPA
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    @Osidecompass… “I didn't see anything about this in Becker? Where was it discussed (if at all)? Are there any other topics to watch out for?”

    I used Becker for my first shot at REG and never heard of it either… Phil Yaeger goes over it in his cram, and I would assume the full course as well. It is a complex issue that I would assume examiners would love to throw at you in their “difficult” level questions. This is one of my main beef's with Becker… they completely brush over this issue and it's perfectly fair game to be tested. Yaeger in his review course says he had a student come to him and tell him that he/she got a question on it and felt comfortable after his lecture.

    @original poster… one way to look at alimony recapture is a lot like 1245 or 291 recapture from your 1231 assets. Over the last few years you have been taking depreciation deductions on those assets and therefore paid tax on lower income. When you sell it, you have to recapture those old expenses as income (ordinary) so that you don't get the expense benefit AND 1231 favorable treatment.

    Same goes with the alimony. If you are paying alimony and like Jeff said, are front loading it, the Gov't says “not so fast my friend.” You will need to recapture.

    A good thing to think about when studying for REG (mind you, this is advice from someone that failed it), remember that the Gov't always wants more than their fair share. For instance when determining our basis in inherited property for a loss, it's the lesser of FMV or rollover basis resulting in the smaller loss, and if it's sold for a gain, it's the rollover basis resulting in the bigger gain (in most cases). Same goes for alimony recapture.

    I have to guess that since alimony is above the line with no limitations, it'd be a great place to over expense in years that you have high income… this helps even it out. That's purely my opinion, not anything I've read or seen in lectures.

    BEC - Pass 10/2010
    FAR - Pass 10/2010
    AUD - Pass 11/2010
    REG - Pass 05/2011

    #402076
    rmm91909
    Participant

    @32CPA did you like the Yaeger Cram? I am debating on getting it and was wondering if it is worth the extra money. Thanks!

    #402077
    Vern
    Participant

    The cram is solid. It's about 20 hours; so it's not quick. I have a hard time getting going with the home study because of the length. I'm leaning toward only buying the cram for BUS. He covers just about everything in the cram that he did in the home study except he doesn't go over questions. If you already have the home study, they only charge $50 the Cram.

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    BEC ??

    #402078
    32CPA
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    @rmm91909… you asked the $1M question. 9 out of 10 posts of mine are raving about how great the crams are. Now with the crams, they only go through a handful of questions, but during the lectures they SHOW you how to calculate things… unlike Becker. I can't think of any time Becker showed you how to calculate anything in their powerpoint.

    Also, they don't give instructor support for the cram only customers (if you are a home study customer with a cram, you can).

    I give 99% credit to the Yaeger Cram (1% to me) for FAR and BEC passing scores. AUD, I did less cram, more Becker, but that's a memorization exam. I failed REG becuase I had an outdated cram and Becker.

    If it weren't for the crams, I would not be 3/4 done. Now, for anyone reading this… I do not suggest buying ONLY a cram. You should use it after you complete your course (Yaeger, Becker, Bisk, etc). In the crams they are reminding you of the concepts, while re-teaching it to you.

    Best $$$ I ever spent.

    * I do not work for Yaeger. Just one happy customer.

    BEC - Pass 10/2010
    FAR - Pass 10/2010
    AUD - Pass 11/2010
    REG - Pass 05/2011

    #402079
    rmm91909
    Participant

    Perfect thanks so much! I am a Yaeger student so I kind of luck out where there was to much information for a quick update they are selling the cram really cheap to students! Looks like I will be purchasing 🙂

    #402080
    jpat1980
    Member

    here is the formula

    R3=P1+P2-2(P3)-37,500

    R3=Recapture for year 3

    P=payment for according year

    Front-loading rules do not apply to amounts tied to business profits.

    So payments that fluctuate because of a continuing liability to pay a fixed portion of income from business, property, or services are not subject to the excess front-loading rules. So the amount paid in the corresponding year is deductible as is

    AUD-68,74,88
    REG-81
    BEC-75
    FAR-71,79
    (Primary: Becker | Supplemental: Wiley MCQ's, Ninja Notes)

    CFP - passed(3/2013)
    (KIER, College for Financial Planning-cffp.edu, Jeff Rattiner Books and Notes)

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