Big company CFO's with no Big 4 Experience

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    Anonymous
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    I forget exactly how I stumbled upon it, but two particular CFO’s I came across, both at Microsoft, have no big 4 experience. Amy Hood and Jack Ryder. One worked for Goldman Sach’s prior to Microsoft and the other held various financial analyst roles. I’m just wondering if this is more common than one might think? I have heard in the past that bigger companies like people that have been on the other side of the Big 4 audit, but that doesn’t appear to be a prerequesite at Microsoft.

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  • #635537
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    I think there's 2 things that contribute here:

    – General on-paper preferences and requirements that aren't absolute – a lot of places will say they want or require something because generally, if they were making a list of criteria of their perfect candidate, it would be included; however, in reality, they'll evaluate on a case-by-case basis and determine if someone missing a technical qualification still has the desired abilities. For example, my dad never finished his college degree; however, he's held several jobs that “required” a college degree because even though he didn't have one, he had demonstrate-able competency in the job duties due to having spent many many years in the field. So, maybe their boss would say “In a perfect world, they'd have a year or two in the B4, but in reality, I know they know B4 audits in and out so I'm quite happy with them”.

    – Preferences from one manager to another – I can't believe that *all* large-company CEOs and hiring personnel have the same viewpoint on what's required in a CFO, because everyone is different and has different preferences. If I was Microsoft's CEO, I wouldn't place preference on B4 experience. Someone who had been a partner of B4 would get some extra respect in my eyes, but someone who as a new college graduate checked boxes for 2 years isn't going to impress me. If they weren't at a high enough position to be seeing the whole audit, I don't care, cause my CFO doesn't need to be an expert on marking whether or not two sets of numbers compare…! However, even then, if I was Microsoft's CEO, a B4 high-ranking-person who just decided to switch to private would *not* be of more interest to me than someone who had climbed the ladder in private and had experience with various levels of private accounting and management, because being able to audit a large company doesn't mean you're able to manage one. I'd want to see high-level experience in the private world, and then if he's familiar with B4, that's a plus.

    So, from what I've gathered, most large companies like to see B4 experience, and that's great. But as the Microsoft examples demonstrate, not all require it…so I'd say anyone who doesn't have B4 but does have a solid resume should still feel confident in their ability to achieve the career goals they have, whereas a new grad with the opportunity for B4 who wants to end up in the big seat should probably take advantage of it since statistically from what I've heard, most folks in those seats do have such experience, so it will probably be easier to get that job with the experience.

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    Gatorbates
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    I find this post puzzling … where does it say any “big company's CFO has to have Big 4 experience”?

    I would think that the majority of them probably don't … I really don't see the correlation and could care less whether a CFO has B4 experience or not … it's wouldn't affect my decision to buy their stock in any way.

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    #635539
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    I have been under the impression that Big 4 experience is almost a prerequisite of working at a higher up position at a F500 because they are all audited by a Big 4 and thus would desire someone to work for them that has been on the other side of the audit

    #635540
    fuzyfro89
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    There are various experiences to build a similar skill set. There is likely no public company CFO who does not have a VERY in depth understanding of financial statements and accounting, but that doesn't mean they are all accountants by (former) trade.

    The CFO does very little actual accounting work. Between managing FP&A, treasury, accounting, corporate development, etc, accounting is only 1 piece of their full responbilities over managing the balance sheet, P&L, and cash flow.

    Once you reach the CFO level, they don't care about “checking boxes” for candidates. They need people to fill certain roles. A growing company might need someone who really understands M&A and acquisitions, whereas a mature company needs someone who understands expense analysis and budgeting very well, and a bankrupt/restructuring company needs someone who can help them stay solvent. Every finance executive has a basic understanding of each, but their expertise needs to fit whatever the role is seen to be.

    In Microsoft's case, I'm not sure what their 5-yr priorities are, but I'm guessing the Board/Nadella thought Hood could fill those shoes.

    #635541
    Anonymous
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    Would they at least be CPA's or CFA's?

    #635542
    Anonymous
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    @Gatorbates That seems to be the standard opinion that's pushed all over the place (including in a lot of discussions here), but I think it comes from B4 wanting to fill 1st-year slots more than anything else. 😛

    #635543
    Anonymous
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    It is most definitely pushed that the Big 4 audit experience leads to F500 finance positions. Its not always easy to confirm though because some higher up people are either tough to find on LinkedIn or do not list their full experience.

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    mw798
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    A lot of CFOs have no public accounting background and come from a pure finance background. If you were to scan a few Fortune 500 companies you would find more than a few and it would not surprise me to find that the majority are not accountants. I work for a fortune 100 company and our CFO is not a CPA and never was an accountant.

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