Career Dilemma – I want your advice

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  • #188232
    KingKrown88
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    Hi everyone,

    I used to frequent this site a few years ago when I was taking the CPA exams. I was fortunate enough to pass the exams and I officially became licensed a little over a year ago. I’ve run into a bit of a dilemma with my career and want your advice.

    I’m 27 years old and currently work for an international law firm in the tax department. I have been here for nearly three years now and realize that this is not a good place for a career. The problems that I’ve identified are that the department is small and there is little room for growth, the raises are cost of living raises only (and are also small and blanket raises), promotions are very hard to get, and the firm itself does not have interest in developing me. My work is largely menial tasks that, while serving a purpose, do not help me learn or grow much as a professional. I feel like I have learned all there is to learn here, and any other time I spend here will mostly be a waste of time. There are definitely positives, though. I like the people I work with, the compensation is ok (base of 57k and total comp of in the low 60s, with pretty good benefits), I usually do not work more than 40 hours a week (though this is not always true), the commute is very short, and I can handle the job. While this is not the worst spot in the world to be in, I expect and want more of myself and my career.

    Now here is the problem. I am not sure where to go with my career, and I am finding that any other steps to make are not easy ones. The job market in my city is apparently very tough. I’ve contacted dozens of recruiters in the past 9 months and they have mainly done nothing for me. I have applied to dozens of new positions on my own, and I have updated my linked in and tried to make connections through there. In 9 months I have only gotten a few interviews and these did not pan out. The opportunities for new work are few and far between, and the chances I do get have not materialized into anything. I have also thought about working for the IRS and have put in applications there and tried to contact people directly but they, too, have been fruitless. I have only begun a hard work search since last Christmas, but I expected better results than this in that time. Perhaps I was too optomistic.

    I graduated summa cum laude in my college and and top 1% of my high school classes. While I was always a very good student, I am not the type of whiz who can totally dominate a GMAT. If you need a 750-800 to get into a top MBA program, I would not get it. Most I could get would probably be about 700, and that is after a lot of prep. So I am turned off by the idea of going to get an MBA because of the amount of time and money it would take, and the fact that it might not differentiate myself much from my peers since I would likely not get into a top school (the same goes for law school, which I have also thought about). Also, I am turned off by the MBA idea since I do not really know what I am passionate about nor what a position would be like until I get into it. Seems like too much of a risk and too great a cost for a ton of uncertainty and not a lot of upside.

    I began my career at one of the Big 4 and had a very bad experience there. Not worth rehashing now but I do not want to put myself in that type of situation again. But what I’m afraid of is while I am getting older and not really getting any new skills or knowledge, that going back into public may perhaps be the most viable solution. The feedback I’ve gotten from some interviewers are that my experience has been too specialized in tax and so they don’t even want to take the time to itnerview me for some positions because of that. So perhaps public is the solution, but I am very hesitant about this because of my bad experience. The problem is I don’t have a lot of differentiated skills to showcase for another private position at this point in my career.

    I don’t need all the money under the sun to be happy. My view of success is earning a respectable salary (if I could get to between 70 and 90k in the next few years I would be pleased) while doing a job that I enjoy and get a feeling of importance from. All three are important in my mind: respectable salary, enjoyment, and a feeling of importance. If I cannot get enjoyment I at least want it to be tolerable. And if I get a feeling of importance with a tolerable position and this type of salary, I would probably not desire to make more money than this.

    What would your advice to me be? Is going back into public the best solution? Is there something else I should try that I have not thought of? Apologies to be longwinded but I know how insightful the responses can be on here so I wanted to give everyone a pretty complete picture. Thank you in advance for your advice.

    Chris

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  • #596015
    Anonymous
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    If you want 70k, you'll have it in 2 years in public. Not sure if the experience you had was specific to that firm, or applies across all public, but it is what it is. You probably won't be able to start as anything more than a staff if you do go back to it. If you're looking at the big picture, further down the road, you'll never get it where you are now. But, relax, 27 is still a baby..

    #596016
    Anonymous
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    Is moving an option? Come to DC. There are plenty of jobs.

    #596017
    youngd8
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    @bigfourexpert i'm not sure what state you're living in but going in as staff at big 4 doesn't equate to 70k in 2 years. Here in New York, which has one of the higher paying state due to cost of living, experiened hire in to big four pays 56k. so not sure how you derived a jump of 14k in 2 years.

    #596018
    KingKrown88
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    Thanks for your replies!

    I'm hesitant about going back to big 4 and don't want to make a lateral move, though I know it might be the best decision long term. I would hope to go in as a staff 2 and believe that 70k should be attainable in two years (would not want to make a jump from my cushy spot today for any less than low 60s). What are the Big 4 raises like nowadays? 10% a year? less? I wouldn't know because I never got one lol. Also, in your opinion, is it nearly a definite that you will learn and grow if you apply yourself at a Big 4, or not really?

    My current city is Philadelphia btw. AICPAs Breach, moving is an option, but since I recently signed another 1 year lease, it is not an option in the immediate future. Certainly I would consider other cities though if I haven't figured this out by closer to this time next year.

    #596019
    tomq04
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    It's not unheard of to have lease cancellation fees covered as part of moving expenses, if you can bargain for such a thing.

    REG- (1) 76
    FAR- (2) 64, (5)74, (7)83 (Over achiever!)
    AUD- (3) 70, (4) 75
    BEC- (6) 75

    #596020
    youngd8
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    The more important question is, are you willing to put up 12-13hr busy season hours and sacrifice your work/life balance that you have now? The money they pay at big 4 is really not alot if you consider the amount of hours you work. However, if you want the experience with working with large public companies, that's something money can't buy.

    #596021
    KingKrown88
    Member

    Oh I'm absolutely certain that your comment is correct, youngd8. What I'm looking for is the best result with maximum efficiency. I thought I could hop from job to job in private and reach my career goals, but what I'm finding is that this my not be possible. Or perhaps it is. Perhaps I could take online courses for a new skillset and make myself more marketable that way? Has anyone ever done this? Of course it would still take time and effort. If this is simply not realistic then I might have to be willing to put up with the nasty busy seasons that public accounting brings. I will do what is necessary to reach my professional goals, and hopefully in the most efficient way possible.

    #596022
    Anonymous
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    @youngd8

    Hi! I work in NYC. We bring in our fresh, 22 year old staffs at ~60k for tax. If you have an MST, you're coming in at ~67k. If you're coming in as an experienced hire, you will always be at the upper range of the pay scale and then it'll even out with smaller raises/promotion bonuses. So if someone came in at second level staff, they'd be around ~63k. By senior you would easily break 70k.

    This is pretty consistent across the firms as far as I know.

    #596023
    Anonymous
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    Not to hijack this thread, but I'm making over $56,000 as a first year, @youngd, and I'm not in NYC….

    #596024
    KingKrown88
    Member

    Nick, do you have a masters or previous work experience? Are you in LA, San Fran., or Chicago?

    #596025
    taxman89
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    70 isnt unattainable if you are not in a huge city. i am in a midsized city (none of the big guns) and made low 50s out of college (no masters) and am making mid 60s 3 years in. not working big 4 which helps

    AUD - 75
    BEC - 77
    FAR - 78
    REG - 82
    AUD: 61-67-75 (Thanks ninja aud)
    BEC: 77
    FAR: 78
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    #596026
    RachelP
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    I would look into a mid-sized public firm. You didn't mention a family, but being in a bit of a smaller firm they will be more flexible than your Big 4 types. Or, with your international tax specialization, begin growing your own client base during tax season & work on becoming your own boss! Then you'll have all the respect from everyone in the entire company you build.

    "Don't worry, beeeeee happy!"

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    FAR- 66 [08/28/12] AUD- 61 [10/04/12] REG- 59 [11/28/12] BEC- 63 [01/11/13]
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    #596027
    UM1868
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    Just started public. 23.

    I have 5 new hires that started with me that are 26 or 27. Age isn't anything.

    Bec-76 (7/14)
    Aud-81 (8/14)
    Reg-82 (7/15)
    Far- 82 (10/15)

    Moral of the story, don't do your CPA while working in Big 4 Public Accounting.

    #596028
    UM1868
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    Oh, and it is a big 4 firm.

    Bec-76 (7/14)
    Aud-81 (8/14)
    Reg-82 (7/15)
    Far- 82 (10/15)

    Moral of the story, don't do your CPA while working in Big 4 Public Accounting.

    #596029
    Anonymous
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    @bigfourexpert, tax people generally start higher from what I've seen then their audit counterparts. From what I've seen these numbers even out within ~3 years. Advisory is even higher than tax.

    Otherwise your numbers seem pretty close to what I've heard. Generally Senior in a big city ~70-80k total comp, Manager ~100-125k total comp. Some firms also give one time bonuses (on top of raises/pay grade bump) for promotions as well. I believe managers get a ~25k onetime bonus in their promotion year.

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