East coast public accounting firms

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    hyky0111
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    Hi all,

    What are well known mid-tier accounting firms with good reputation on the east coast? I have heard of CohnReznik, EisnerAmper, and Marcum in NYC. Are they more well known than other mid-tiers like BDO, Grant Thornton, etc? In certain states/cities, I heard college students actually choose a mid-tier over a Big Four. Is this true? Appreciate your thoughts in advance!

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    mw798
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    I don't know about many students choosing mid tier over Big 4; at least at my school no one actually chose mid tier over Big 4 assuming they got an offer from a Big 4 and a mid tier, the Big 4 always won out. However, that's not to say you can't be successful going to a mid tier. If your goal is a career in accounting you'll be fine either way. What makes people choose Big 4 is the extensive network it has. Former Big 4 employees that go onto private are biased towards Big 4 employees. I've seen job posting for positions that have stated Big 4 experience required.

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    I think more or less people will go with B4 if they have the opportunity, though I do know some people at BDO, Grant Throton, McGladrey, BKD, etc. It seems that a lot of the mid-tier and B4 firms are in the major east coast cities (Boston, New York, Stamford CT, DC, Fort Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, Charlotte, Atlanta, etc.)

    Kind of a broad question. Just go online and look up top 100 accounting firms. There you can get directed to each of their websites and see where they are located/how many offices they have.

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    hyky0111
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    Thanks for the responses. What if a mid-tier pays you more than a Big Four offers? Would people still choose the Big Four over the mid-tier? I wonder if the name value of the Big Four would make a significant difference in your career regardless of the area/industry you are in.

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    mw798
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    In my area, the mid tiers pay $2.5k to $5k more than Big 4, but the Big 4 is still the #1 choice. Mid tier is usually the 5th choice after PwC, E&Y, Deloitte, and KPMG. The premium on the name recognition is worth a lot apparently.

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    hyky0111
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    Yes I have heard often the premium on the name recognition is priceless. However, I have not seen a real “proof” that shows you get paid for what you give up on. If you have like a couple year of Big Four experience, would it really be that beneficial for you for future career? If you like public and plan to stay in public for a long time, would you still choose Big Four over mid-tier even though you will be working more hours and possibly earning less at Big Four? Just curiosity.

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    WaivingMyHands_ALOT
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    I've nothing to back this up, but I've heard your raises/bonuses at big four are bigger than at mid-tier. So what you give up in starting salary you recoup over the years at the firm. Plus there is certainly a premium to the name if/when you leave public. How much of a premium I can't say.

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    #675393
    mw798
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    Like I said, I've seen many job postings stating “Big 4 experience required.” The exit career opportunities that Big 4 offers are much more lucrative than a mid tier.

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    shanek327
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    4 of 5 supervisors in our accounting department got their start in Big 4

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    Big 4 is great to launch your career. As far as staying in public accounting for a very long time, it depends on you. If you're ok with putting up with long hours, traveling, & working on weekends, you may have a shot on being promoted to senior manager at big 4. As for becoming a partner, it's very very rare. Most people who start off in big 4 leave after they make senior, which is roughly 2-3 years and jump ships to private side. So in short term, yes, big 4 reputation will provide you with an advantage as your on top of the employer's list before anyone from non big 4. However, once you jumped ships from public to private, i don't believe it will give you an “advantage” anymore, as your next position will focus more on your most recent position held.

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    fuzyfro89
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    “In certain states/cities, I heard college students actually choose a mid-tier over a Big Four.”

    Yes, I can vouch for this. Out of undergrad, there were at least a handful of people I knew that chose to go to mid-tier firms over big 4, and some even chose small firms. I suppose that's where they saw a better fit for themselves and their careers. The work is different in big/mid/small firms, especially in audit.

    “What if a mid-tier pays you more than a Big Four offers? Would people still choose the Big Four over the mid-tier?”

    Again, depends on your goals. If you plan to stay 2-4 years and use it as a springboard, then the few thousand more you are offered out of school is irrelevant. Some people would, while others will not. I'll just say that you see far more people out of big 4 than mid tier… although that's not really a valid statistic since there are literally several multiples more people in the big 4 firms than mid tier…

    “If you have like a couple year of Big Four experience, would it really be that beneficial for you for future career?”

    It CAN be, but there are no guarantees. Let me repeat. THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES. I've seen people leave big 4 and get mediocre jobs in industry, and others who left a mid tier firm for investing banking jobs afterwards. It depends far more on the person. However, all else equal (experience, resume, networking and soft skils, etc), a public company will generally list “big 4 preferred” and in some cases “big 4 required” on the job listing.

    ” If you like public and plan to stay in public for a long time, would you still choose Big Four over mid-tier even though you will be working more hours and possibly earning less at Big Four?”

    This is a great question! If you do actually like public accounting, many people choose other firm types given it's very difficult to sell new business at the big 4 level. I've seen more than a handful of senior managers from my former big 4 firm who joined small firms because they saw a clearer/more likely path to director/partner there.

    I'll admit, it's a bit of an “old boys club” in the big 4, both inside the firm as well as the network that persists outside of it, but there are very tangible benefits when you look out to mid/small firms as well as industry once you have big 4 experience; HOWEVER, I will repeat again, THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES. It's not like once you work in big 4 people will just beg you to come work for them, but the network you develop with fellow staff/seniors/managers/partners will be much larger than at a mid/small firm, and that is what really helps you throughout your career, not the job or what you learn specifically at work.

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