For those who consistently got 90s..

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  • #194321
    Meeekks
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    So I passed FAR by a decent margin, but it wasn’t nearly as high as a score as I would’ve wanted it to be. I’m very competitive, so when I put in the time and effort, I expect results. Having a mediocre score is the equivalent of a consolation prize to me. I’ll take it.. but I don’t really want it.

    So for those who score in the 90s for all their sections. what was your background like? I’ve seen a lot get 3.9+ GPAs and in some accounting programs. The EWS winner on the front page seems to have a ridiculous accounting resume.

    Though a lot of people say it isn’t an IQ test, I feel that generally intelligent people that put in the effort usually score the highest. Just the fact they have a near perfect or perfect GPA means that their concentration, discipline and ability to think critically is insane, right?

    Lastly, do you guys have any specific tips? Besides the watch lectures, read, take notes, do MCQs and SIMs, redo them, etc. I would like to know specific things, like how your mentality is, how to focus, what you do when you’re stuck, anything relevant to improving. I don’t expect reach that level and make up years of effort in a few months, but I’m willing to try.

    Thanks in advance!

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  • #667566
    Anonymous
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    I scored 90s in the 3 sections I took thus far (FAR, AUD and REG). I have a GPA of 4.0.

    I don’t have much time today as I’m taking BEC today (and no, I don’t think I’ll score in the 90s on this one, after all, English isn’t my first language), but here is my advice in short: The CPA exam has 3 components: understanding, memorizing, and thinking the way the examiners think. I don’t know about other programs, but Becker is mostly about memorizing NOT understanding. I believe that’s part of the reason so many people fail the exam – they try to memorize mnemonics rather than understand the concepts. You have to be your own teacher to understand the concepts. Google everything you don’t understand, watch YouTube lectures, etc. Then there’s the IQ/critical thinking part of the exam. You have to think the way the examiners think. You have to use Behavioral Psychology to understand their thought process. Some questions cannot be answers without understanding the way the writer thinks. Also, there’s the process of elimination to get to the right answer when you don’t know the answer.

    Anyway, I gotta run. Perhaps I’ll have more time to elaborate on my CPA exam experience after taking BEC, my last CPA exam.

    #667567
    Missy
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    I had a 3.76 GPA, I know its not “perfect” but despite that I got a 77 on FAR, failed AUD twice before I got an 81, got a 75 on my second attempt at REG and a 75 on BEC. I put in the effort, but either used a program that wasn't the best for me, or wasnt in touch with the best study methods for me.

    However that said I think keeping a good GPA in school is relatively easy. Never heard anybody who had a 3.0 and insisted they tried as hard as they could have. So its apples to oranges in my opinion.

    Old timer,  A71'er since 2010.

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    #667568
    Anonymous
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    Correct, Meeekks, high GPA = insane critical thinking! This statement is a perfect example of it, I would say lol

    I myself have very low GPA and corresponding level of intelligence

    But joking aside, discipline is definitely a key

    #667569
    Anonymous
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    Do you know what they call the person who graduates last in medical school? Doctor.

    Nobody is going to care about your score. A 75 carries the same weight as a 99.

    #667570
    04cobra
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    @Angelwatch – Unless you do terrible on your BAR exam, then everyone cares. But for the CPA, no one cares as stated. Passing is passing

    REG - 78
    BEC - 83
    FAR - 77
    AUD - 74 (Bulls***), 85

    #667571
    y_u_no_pass
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    I had a 3.98 and my lowest score was a 90 (on FAR I only got through about half of the material). It doesn't matter. Unless you are aiming for the Elijah Watt award there is no reason. I was only aiming for 75s. I just over prepared. If I could have gone in and gotten 75 on each one I would have been just as happy. When I first started I thought I might go for the award, but then I realized just how much material it was and decided it wasn't worth it. I agree there is a component of intelligence as you have to be able to think a certain way to get the hardest questions right, but how did I get a 90 in FAR with only covering about half of the material? I think that includes an element of luck, too.

    Oh yeah and my only a- in school was audit, which was my highest exam score, 95.

    Florida CPA!
    Took final exam 2/25/15.
    Sent in Application 3/12/15.
    Issued License 3/20/15.
    Used CPA Excel solely for all exams.

    #667572
    Anonymous
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    Dude who cares about your score as long as you passed… No one cares if you got a 99 or a 75… Both are passing scores….. Let it go …

    Intelligence tests are stuff like GMAT and GRE… CPA isn't a measure of intelligence… It's a sign of hard work!!!!! That's it..

    the smartest people I know got high 70s! That means they put just enough effort to pass..They knew their resources, abilities, and time frame and that what makes a great business man/woman… They didn't over-study (which will result to a 90 and above).. That's my personal opinion though and I do not care about scores..

    #667573
    kyle.brown
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    I agree it is about putting in the work. My experience for example i started studying had a baby, changed jobs, started to kinda study, then really only studied on Sundays until about a month until my exam and i got a 60 even though i had not read the material in about 3 months. I have only my self to blame for that. This time around i am much more focused and determined, but i would hardly say just because you got high 90's you are smarter then those who don't.

    FAR - Passed 4/2016
    AUD - Passed 11/2015
    REG - ?
    BEC - 05/28/2016

    #667574
    WaivingMyHands_ALOT
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    As far as background goes I would say I fit the “generally intelligent people that put in the effort” category, but by no means did I have a 3.9+ GPA. In school I was in top 25% of class, but rarely the smartest person in the room.

    The CPA exam is definitely a test that can be beaten. You don't have to be brilliant to do it. But if you are going for 90+ on sections and/or EWS range you're going to have to actually understand the concepts, not just blindly memorize mnemonics or MCQ answers.

    Commit to a review program. Personally, I used Becker and would recommend them if you have a big four picking up the bill. If you're paying out of pocket, some of the lower cost programs seem pretty good (Gleim, Ninja, etc.). I'd imagine they are all fairly similar. The AICPA posts the outline of material covered for all exam sections along with the respective weight each topic carries. All review programs base their materials off of these outlines. There's no secret formula or recipe.

    Give yourself enough time to go through the programs. Depending on your circumstances, this is going to vary significantly. Obviously if you're working full time and have a family, you'll need more time per section than someone who has a lot less going on.

    I took the exams last year (April 14′ – October 14′) while I was still in school. I didn't have a ton going on so I could focus mainly on CPA. If you're able to do that, I'd say 2 months each for FAR and REG is sufficient, and 1 to 1.5 months each for AUD and BEC.

    As far as test taking tips go, realize that a big portion of the exam is multiple choice. That means you don't always need to know the correct answer. As long as you have a basic understanding of the topic being tested, you should be able to eliminate 2 to 3 incorrect answers. You basically end up backing into the correct answer. Also, keep an eye out for buzzwords like “Always” and “Never”, those are going to popup on a bunch of AUD and BEC multiple choice questions, and rarely are the answers with those words in them correct.

    If you're worried about focusing when you study, try to find the time of day that your most awake/focused/zoned in. For me it was late morning to early afternoon (10-2). I could put in a few hours of studying each day, drink some coffee, and then enjoy the rest of the day. Again, this is going to work if you are working full time/have a family, but if you have the flexibility, use it.

    One last piece of test prep advice relates to the SIMS. Personally, I hated practicing SIMS. I thought they were a waste of time. Unlike the MCQs, SIMS are very unpredictable. They change significantly from one year to the next. It sucks, but its the way it is. So I would say don't even bother reviewing them. Just focus more on the MCQs, which are fairly consistent from one year to the next. Usually the topics/concepts you learn from the MCQs and outlines/lectures you use will carry over to the SIMS. Don't spend hours on material/formats you likely won't see on exam day.

    The exception to that rule would be the research questions. Make sure you are familiar with the research materials (IRC, FASB code, etc.) and how to navigate each before you get to your test center. Other than that, forget about practicing SIMS.

    AUD 99
    BEC 96
    FAR 94
    REG 96

    #667575
    Excel14
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    The smartest people work……smart.

    What do they call an accounting person, who only managed a 75 on all four parts of the CPA exam....you got it, CPA!!!

    BEC (2/28/16) ----- 78
    FAR (09/10/16)-----
    AUD
    REG

    CIA, CGAP, CFE

    #667576
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I would imagine there is a fair amount of correlation between college GPA and performance on the CPA exam, though I would wager it relates more to work ethic than intelligence. Nevertheless, it doesn't imply causation. I know plenty of CPAs who graduated from top masters programs with honors and still managed to fail at least one section of the exam. In fact, I seem to recall at least one NINJA blogger who did very well in college but has struggled to pass the CPA exam.

    If you passed FAR by a “decent margin,” you probably are working hard. So my only suggestion is to work even harder. Whatever you're doing, do more of it. I am not going to tell you to only study for a 75. That was kind of my strategy for AUD because I did well on FAR and REG and was tired of studying, and I'll tell you this … if I had not done really well on the Sims, I would have failed that exam because I scored “weaker” in nearly every category of MCQs. My point is that we do not know enough about how these exams are graded and scored to be guessing as to how much effort is required to pass. Do the best you can. That is all you have control over.

    #667577
    Tscape16
    Participant

    I have not scored consistent 90s (See BEC score); however, I will tell you that so far and what I've read on this site, the CPA exam isn't an exam of intelligence, it is an exam of dedication. I studied for FAR meticulously, making sure I knew EVERYTHING. Quite honestly, after I got that 90 two weeks before I took the BEC exam I did not review nearly as hard (mostly because there was less material). I also had a shake-up in the testing center that threw me off a little bit. If you're studying to pass the exam, you'll pass. If you're studying to get a 99, you'll get in the ballpark. I graduated with a 3.17 GPA with my undergrad. In the end, you have to want the score you got and honestly reflect back saying that was your goal.

    AUD - 92
    BEC - 86
    FAR - 90
    REG - 82
    Licensed CPA since 2015.

    FAR - 90 ✔
    BEC - 86 ✔
    REG - 82 ✔
    AUD - 92 ✔
    ETHICS - Passed

    *Licensed CPA

    #667578
    Meeekks
    Member

    @aaa111 Wow nice scores! You can actually get the EWS award, go for it! Yeah I agree about memorizing and I didn’t want to memorize either so I often googled for alternative explanations if I didn’t understand something. Good luck on your exam!



    @mla11692
    Yeah having a high GPA isn’t super hard from what I’ve seen, but keeping a near perfect score seems close to impossible without some fundamental discipline and intelligence.

    @anjanja No I didn’t mean that that people with low GPA were dumb. Anyway, good luck on your upcoming exam!

    @Angelwatch @04cobra @Another85 I know but it matters to me!

    @ y_u_no_pass You are a god(dess).



    @kyle
    .brown Yeah some people just don’t have the time or opportunity. I’m not saying those who do poorly are stupid because there could be so many circumstances that restrict or they might not care about the CPA exam, but I think if you’re getting 90s you’re at least doing something right.



    @WaivingMyHands_ALOT
    I don’t really have any problems focusing. I (used to) play a few things semi-competitively so I’d like to think I can work hard. I don’t hate the material and I have not once complained about studying. I was never behind my schedule and only took 1 day off because of family stuff. In some twisted way, when I was studying I actually enjoyed it. Thanks for the advice though and great scores!



    @Excel14
    Yup lol.

    @CaseyTX Yeah I know a few people like that too. Studying for a 75 and having a panic attack when you barely pass (or fail) is one of the reasons why I don’t want to do that. It’s too risky.



    @Tscape16
    Yeah I wanted my effort to reflect my goal.

    Thanks guys for responding. I think I’ve calmed down now.

    I don't actually know why I wanted a better score because I knew I came out of that testing center feeling terrible. I freaked out and wasted time in the beginning and had a problem with my break so that cost me some time but the biggest thing was I redid all my MCQs twice, instead of probably just the flagged ones, so I only had an hour left for SIMs. Also pretty frustrated that a lot of topics didn’t come up and a few topics felt like the whole exam. I actually should be happy that I just passed.

    So I got an 86. It’s kinda embarrassing to say, but I logged about 350 hours and probably 30-40 hours just looking up things definitions and videos online, reading my flashcards and notes every day for the last few weeks including while I was walking to the gym. I’ve been out of school for a few years so my studying might not have been as effective and efficient in the beginning but I did put in a lot of time so maybe you guys can understand why I don’t just want a pass.

    Anyways, I’ll stop ranting. Probably felt like reading a blog lol. Thanks for the advice and comments!

    #667579
    Claudia408
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    @meeekks – this forum just sounds like bragging to me.

    BEC 65, 71, 75
    AUD 62, 70, 78
    REG 67, 66, 65, 66, 64
    FAR 68, 64, 73

    BEC - 75 (3x)
    AUD - 78 (3x)
    REG - 67, 66, Aug 1
    FAR - 54, Sept 8

    #667580
    June2016
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    @aaa111 which study material did you use? Or did you use Becker + googling the topics? Just curious because I agree the Becker material feels more appropriate for memorizing than understanding material.. I feel like it was easier for me to read textbooks in college because the information flowed easily rather than the outline form of Becker.

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