Interview with Solo Practitioner

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  • #189978
    cool_kid
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    Hey so I’m currently a MAcc student who has been applying for jobs. I haven’t had much luck with fall recruiting (1 interview with big 4 and 1 interview with a national firm) and so I’ve pretty much been applying everywhere. I haven’t received many responses but I got a response from a solo practitioner CPA and I ended up scheduling an interview with him next week. For anyone who has interviewed or worked for a solo practitioner or small firm, what can I expect and what are some things that I should be aware of? What’s your experience been like and what were your responsibilities you were given? Working at such a small firm is not the ideal position I’m looking for but I’m assuming with at least some experience I should have an easier time looking for my next job.

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  • #619468
    Lion_of_the_Rock
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    Worked past two seasons with a guy who had a very small tax shop, and I mean small, just him and I, in his house.

    Pros: Lots of hands on experience. Got to work a variety of returns from start to finish. Easy commute. No dress code. No rules in general. Eat or drink whatever I want, when I want. Could literally take a nap if I needed it, of course that reduced my pay for day (paid all cash daily).

    Cons: Guy had a really dirty house with lots of pets. His family came and went as they pleased and they were pretty distracting people. If I messed up he would yell at me, then apologize, then yell at me some more. Sometimes I felt afraid but I wanted the experience. Sometimes I wasn't sure what he was doing because he would leave me alone in the house for a few hours at a time.

    So I guess it just depends on your particular CPA. It can be like the Wild West out there. Probably more entertaining than a normal office.

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    #619469
    cool_kid
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    Wow sounds pretty crazy. I could see a small shop being more informal. How long did you work there for and what did you end up doing after?

    #619470
    tomq04
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    That sounds amazing. I hope to pull that off to some poor sucker of a college student some day in my life.

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    #619471
    fsugirl2005
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    I own and operate a small accounting and bookkeeping firm. I do lots of things, although tax isn't my thing. Anyway, if you are working for a sole practitioner CPA, you will more than likely get to learn the ins and outs of bookkeeping. BUT, you also get to apply much of what you learned in school. I am not a CPA but have sat for the exam before(passed FAR on first shot) but haven't had the time to continue. I work alone but I did have an assistant working for me at one time who was a college student. I tried to teach her as she went but I didn't get the impression that she really cared about accounting but was doing it just because.

    Anyway, bottom line is you will be doing the bookkeeping, financial reporting, tax prep and your CPA will sign off on it. I enjoy working for myself because I don't have to deal with having my hands tied by higher ups. Working for a sole practitioner will eliminate the feeling of your hands being tied.

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    #619472
    cool_kid
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    Hey so I had my interview with him today. He basically offered me the job. I told him I'd let him know for sure about my decision by next week. Besides him, theres three other employees that work there: a bookkeeper, staff accountant, and an office manger. I would be the other accountant and I would be doing everything like reviews, compilations, audits, and individual/business tax returns. He said he would offer me $18 per hour to start and if I do well he would give me a 15% raise in 6 months. This is actually quite low but I'm thinking more of it from the standpoint of experience and being able to study for the cpa exams. I have no accounting experience and this is the only position I've been offered.

    I'm thinking that even though its low for now it would payoff later on because its still public accounting and I can make a jump to a bigger firm down the road with this experience. Also the commute is not too far which means that I would actually have time to study for the exams. This would also be a plus because if i make some progress, it would make me more marketable. Lastly, he said he would also sign off in terms of experience for the work experience requirement. I'm leaning towards accepting this offer. Waiting for a better offer elsewhere is risky cause that would mean I would be giving this one up. This would be better versus an average private accounting job right? Thoughts or advice on this?

    #619473
    Anonymous
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    My first accounting job was for a small accounting firm (owner wasn't a CPA) – when I started, it was me, the owner, and a part-time college kid; later on it was just me and the owner. I worked there for a year, and then that experience helped me get the next job, and those two jobs helped me land a 3rd job which I'll be starting next month.

    My thoughts on the opportunity are that you'll learn a much larger variety of things working in a small CPA firm than you will in a large one. Like you said, you'd be doing auditing and taxes, probably both from the bottom up. In Big 4, you do one or the other, and see just 1 piece of each, instead of doing all of all of it. So, much more varied learning. This can somewhat make you a “jack of all trades, master of none”, but we've gotta get our feet wet somewhere! Before working in the “real world”, all that we know is academic, so I think that a job like this is great to start out so that you can see what it's all like.

    On the flip side, sometimes the reason someone has a small firm is because they lack something necessary to grow it, and in my case that was the situation with my employer. It ended up turning into a bad employer/employee relationship because he's not a good manager, and I came to understand why he'd never had any long-term employees.

    Also, the pay was low – I know the offer you received seems appalling to you at the moment, so I'll throw out my pay rate just for comparison: I was offered the job at $8/hr. And no, this wasn't in the 80's when that was real money – this was in 2012, when minimum wage was $7.25/hr. In fairness, we're in a really low COL area where the wages are significantly lower than the national average, but still, $0.75 above minimum wage was pitiful, and I wonder now why I wasn't insulted enough to tell him off. He gave me a $1 raise (12.5%) a few months later, so when I left that job I was making $9/hr. (The ironic thing is that even before my raise, he'd talk about his wife's job and how she was paid so little it was barely worth having her work. She was a medical receptionist, so I'm sure was making at least $8/hr if not more, so to whine that his receptionist wife without a degree wasn't making enough and then pay me, his accountant with a degree, the same or less was in very poor taste!) However, even though the pay wasn't good, the experience was invaluable. I saw things start-to-finish and learned a lot. Another consideration is that being paid hourly means that you'll likely get a lot of overtime pay during busy season, so you may end up making more than your friends who landed jobs with salaries.

    P. S. A prior poster mentioned that her small-time boss had family coming in and out all day, a messy house, etc., so just wanted to say my situation wasn't like that. I met my boss's wife and his sons about one time each, except the son who worked in his office for a bit, but it was all very professional.

    #619474
    Anonymous
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    Tax professor gave me some advice while looking for a job. Gotta take from the hand that feeds.

    Firm I'm at now gave me an offer before graduating and wanted a reply from me before I heard back from other firms. Who knows what would have happened with the other opportunities but I took the offer and ran with it. Didn't really have a choice. I could have been left out to dry without a job after graduation. Happy where I'm at regardless.

    #619475
    ridiqls
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    I dont know, sounds like a good gig to me. But i have goals to start up my own firm someday and having that kind of mentorship experience sounds like it would be best for someone like me. If I was looking to work for a big firm, I'm not sure how I'd feel about that experience.

    #619476
    GuitarSalad
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    $18 an hour doesn't seem like much, but if you get paid overtime in an environment where long hours happen during a part of the year (say tax season), you could easily wind up with more cash in hand than some of your peers who go to firms that pay a straight salary. As far as waiting, unless you have other interviews you're waiting to hear back from, there's no need to keep looking if you think you found something that's acceptable. A bird in the hand, etc.

    If you're waiting for responses from other interviews, holding off to know if you have to decide between employers is reasonable.

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    #619477
    Anonymous
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    $18 an hour is pretty low, but it's really worth considering what your long term goals are before you make up your mind.

    If you want to be a sole practitioner and this guys' like 55-60 years old, it may not be a bad idea. You could inherit or buy out his book of business when your ready to hang your own shingle.

    #619478
    cool_kid
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    Lilla, As you said, I need to get my feet wet and need to have something besides just education I have from school. I'm thinking of it more so from the standpoint of experience versus the actual money. The guy himself seems nice and understanding.

    And yea I don't have any other offers in hand at this point so I'm better off just accepting it.

    billbrasskey, I ultimately do want to move on to a bigger firm and just want to use this as a stepping stone. While it may not be easy, with some networking and passing parts of the CPA, it seems like there are people who moved onto mid size, national, and big 4 firms from small firms.

    #619479
    Anonymous
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    cool_kid

    Right on. Good luck.

    Just so you know- it's hard to find your first job. It's not that hard to move on to a larger firm. It happens all the time.

    #619480
    fuzyfro89
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    It's one thing if you were comparing this offer to a comparable offer at a small/mid size firm (>10 qualified accountants), but that's not the case.

    Personally, I'd just accept the offer and start working. Honestly, and this sounds bad but I'll say it anyway, if you get a better offer… we both know you'll be out the door. The only question is whether that will be in a few months or a year from now.

    If you find a better offer, that's his problem to deal with. To be frank, if he wanted to retain you, he would offer $30/hr + benefits. That would entice an employee to stay…

    As some due diligence on your part, I'd look up his license online and make sure he is in good standing. Nothing worse than working for some no-name company with a supervisor who isn't qualified… or worse, has some skeletons you don't know about. I'm not trying to scare you at all, but working from some guy's house? Sketchy…

    On the one hand, he could have already been so sucessful that he doesn't really need the money and just wants to work a little… OR, he could be not so great at his job or just a poor manager and maybe he was unable to build up his business. That's something you'll have to judge, but ^Lilla made the point a bit better.

    #619481
    cool_kid
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    Yea thats definitely true. Although he did mention down the road if I get offers from other firms or I like working here, he would try to match or increase compensation. Its actually an office and I wouldn't be working from a house or anything like that. According to him he has enough business and is actually being more selective about the clients he is willing to take on. I guess we'll see. For now I think im gonna take the offer. Thanks for your help everyone.

    #619482
    Pandarama
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    For such a small company, $18 isn't terrible.. especially if you aren't done with school yet AND after only 6 months you get the raise. At least you don't have to wait a full year to get that raise. I was at $18 while in my masters also for a small firm and it was the perfect opportunity to get my foot in the door.

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