Regulations Organizational Expense

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    needhelpnow
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    I had a question about Organization Expense.

    I know it is up to 50,000 over 180 months starting with 5,000 in the current year.

    I have seen questions with answers where the 5,000+ no. of months in service from current year is the deduction (eg:8,000). But then in some scenarios the only expense allowed is 5,000 and the rest start next year. Why is that? Can anyone explain? Thank you.

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    Hi needhelpnow. Maybe you can post a full example question so i can try to answer your question. There could be a few reasons why only the 5k can only be deducted and not the amortized amount. Typically if the 50k threshold is not reached you can take both amounts but have to see an example

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    I have the same problem too, but I found this example on Google. Hope this helps 🙂

    -Under $5,000 organization costs-

    Rose successfully opened a bakery business on October 22. Before the business opened she had $4,000 of start up expenses. Rose can deduct the full $4,000 on her first-year Schedule C as “Other Expenses.” Because her total expenses were less that the $5,000 allowable deduction for the first year, she does not need to worry about amortizing any of them.

    -over $5,000 organization costs-

    Assume the same facts, but she incurred $23,000 of start-up costs. She can claim $5,000 off the top as a current deduction. The remaining $18,000 must be amortized over the 180-month period, which is a monthly amount of $100. Her amortization deduction for the first year would be $300 ($100 for each of the 3 months she was in business in 2012.) This amount would be reported on Form 4562 for the first year and carried over to her Schedule C. Her total deduction for start-up expenses in the first year would be $5,300.

    -over $50,000 organization costs-

    Assume the same facts, but she incurred $53,000 of start-up costs. Because the expenses exceed $50,000, she must reduce the initial year deduction by $1 for every $1 over $50,000. Thus, the $5,000 amount is reduced to $2,000. She figures the amortization on $51,000 ($53,000 – $2,000.) Her monthly amortization amount is $283 ($51,000/180), so her first year amortization deduction is $850. Her total start-up expense deduction for the first year is only $2,850.

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    Wiley has been driving me nuts on that– it doesn't seem to follow what it states itself right there in black and white.

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    You are a life saver!!! Thanks! 🙂

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