S-corp distributions – Same questions different answers and explanations

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  • #192013
    ironryanis
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    A few weeks ago, I posted Question 1 to the forum and Roger CPA review and got a reasonable response as to why $4000 was the correct answer. It had to do with following the IRS’s order of S-corp distributions. (Income-Distribution – losses.) I followed that logic for Question 2 and got the answer wrong. Below are the questions, answers, and explanations.

    Can somebody please explain why the answers are different?

    Question 1

    Baker, an individual, owned 100% of Alpha, an S corporation. At the beginning of the year, Baker’s basis in Alpha Corp. was $25,000. Alpha realized ordinary income during the year in the amount of $1,000 and a long-term capital loss in the amount of $3,000 for this year. Alpha distributed $30,000 in cash to Baker during the year. What amount of the $30,000 cash distribution is taxable to Baker?

    A: $4000

    Roger’s CPA REVIEW Answer:

    Baker’s basis is increased by Alpha’s ordinary income of $1,000, resulting in a basis of $26,000. The long-term capital loss is a pass-through item and does not affect basis. The $30,000 distribution exceeds Baker’s basis by $4,000 and will be taxable as a long-term capital gain, indicating that $4,000 of the distribution is taxable to Baker. The $3,000 long-term capital loss incurred by Alpha passes through to Baker and may be used to offset capital gains and may be partially or fully deductible

    Hi ironyanis,

    “The order in which stock basis is increased or decreased is important. Because both the taxability of a distribution and the deductibility of a loss are dependent on stock basis, there is an ordering rule in computing stock basis. Stock basis is adjusted annually, as of the last day of the S corporation year, in the following order:

    1.Increased for income items and excess depletion;

    2.Decreased for distributions;

    3.Decreased for non-deductible, non-capital expenses and depletion; and

    4.Decreased for items of loss and deduction.”

    Pass-through items of income, losses and deductions are added to or subtracted from beginning basis before determining the tax treatment of any distributions during the year (assuming there were no accumulated earnings and profits carried forward).

    Baker’s basis in Alpha was increased by Baker’s 100% share of Alpha’s income (+$1,000) resulting in a pre-distribution basis of $26,000. The cash distribution exceeded Baker’s basis by $4,000, so $4,000 of the cash distribution is treated as a capital gain. The remaining $3,000 capital loss will be carried forward until it can be absorbed by S-Corp gains.

    Note that the $3,000 long-term capital loss is NOT deductible to Baker because the distribution reduced his stock basis to zero, and would be carried forward.

    I hope this helps,

    Roger CPA Review Team

    Question 2 (Same as question 1)

    Baker, an individual, owned 100% of Alpha, an S corporation. At the beginning of the year, Baker’s basis in Alpha Corp. was $25,000. Alpha realized ordinary income during the year in the amount of $1,000 and a long term capital loss in the amount of $3,000 for this year. Alpha distributed $30,000 in cash to Baker during the year. What amount of the $30,000 cash distribution is taxable to Baker?

    A: $7,000

    Distributions to S corporation shareholders cannot reduce stock basis below zero. Distributions in excess of basis are taxable. IRC Section 1368 Items that increase S corporation shareholder basis include income of the corporation that is not separately computed. In this case, there is $1,000 of ordinary income. IRC Section 1367(a)(1) Items that decrease S corporation shareholder basis include loss and deduction items of the corporation that are separately stated and distributions up to but not exceeding basis. In this case, these are $3,000 longterm capital loss and $23,000 of the cash distribution.

    IRC Section 1367(a)(2)

    The taxable portion of the $30,000 cash distribution to Baker is calculated as follows:

    Basis at beginning of year $ 25,000

    Ordinary income 1,000

    Long‐term capital loss ‐3,000

    Basis remaining 23,000

    Cash distribution ‐30,000

    Taxable distribution in excess of basis 7,000

    ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐

    Basis at end of year $ 0

    The $7,000 distribution in excess of basis would be taxable.

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  • #648180
    ijustwant76
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    bump….

    #648181
    lauren725
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    I have completed 90% of the S Corp questions in becker and have not come across an answer that makes the explanation in the first questions correct. This is very interesting. I have seen the second question and agree with its logic based on what I have seen so far…..hmmmmmmmm

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    #648182
    Anonymous
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    Yes, very interesting. I read the entire post and I should say, I am convinced with the first explanation. But with the second explanation, no way. It makes me even more confused and feeling I need to repeat my review for S Corporation.

    For now, we need to move on and find something else.

    #648183
    lauren725
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    Amor – you mean you agree with question one answer?

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    #648184
    Anonymous
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    I did last night until you asked it now. LOL

    I reread it and girl, it takes forever to dig it. I am sure whoever invented this situation including the one who shred the explanation is having issues with his/her psychiatrist now.

    Bottom line is, as long as we understand the application of cash distribution first to the adjusted basis of the interest, the remaining amount would be treated as capital gain and is taxable.

    #648185
    mt3130
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    The first question is correct based on ordering rules. The distributions come out before losses. If you look at a shareholder basis statement that accompanies a schedule K-1, it shows all items of income, then distributions, then items of loss.

    So you would calculate as follows:

    25,000 beginning basis + 1,000 ordinary gain = 26,000 basis for distributions

    26,000 basis – 30,000 distributions = 4,000 taxable gain

    3,000 capital loss carried over to next year.

    The first one is right, and the second one is incorrect. The second one is subtracting losses from basis prior to distributions. If you read the IRS instructions for Schedule K-1, it shows the following order:

    Beginning basis,

    1) plus income items (including tax-exempt income)

    2) less distributions

    3) less nondeductible and depletion expenses

    4) less deductible losses and expenses

    Its a very taxpayer friendly setup that minimizes your chances of having a taxable gain as a result of distributions.

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    #648186
    s2sylvir
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    ^But does it say that it has to be in THAT order or are we just assuming it's in that order?

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    #648187
    NJPRU
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    Based on what it says in the becker material, distributions come before losses. Also, the loss is limited to what's left in the basis after distributions. I think there is a question or two in Becker with regards to the order.

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    #648188
    lauren725
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    Thanks guys. I obviously need to look at that situation more and take note. There must not be that many questions with that scenario or it must have just gone over my head…which is very likely. good times!!!!

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    #648189
    mt3130
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    If the IRS says that is the prescribed order, then yes, you have to do it in that order. Well you don't have to, but you will be subject to penalty if they catch it.

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    #648190
    ironryanis
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    Thanks everyone for reading and responding to my long post. Answers 1 and 2 came from Roger Review MCQ test bank and his book. The reply I got from Roger was for the question in the test bank. I sent them an email asking about the contradicting answer in the book. Still waiting to hear back.

    Answer 2 ($7,000) also came from Another71.com.

    Thanks for your insights.

    IR

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    #648191
    Tux
    Member

    It is interesting that both of your answers came from Roger and they contradict.

    Becker provides the same practice question with an answer of $7000.

    Now, I'm confused.

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    #648192
    Anonymous
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    How did Rogers respond on this item?

    #648193
    ironryanis
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    See Roger's response below:

    Hello Ryan,

    The quotation above giving the specific order in which items are accounted for when determining an S-Corp shareholder's stock basis is from the IRS (https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/S-Corporation-Stock-and-Debt-Basis). The AICPA also provides a good overview of S-Corp stock basis calculation (https://www.aicpa.org/publications/taxadviser/2014/january/pages/nitti_jan2014.aspx).

    This specific order is what informs the correct answer explanation, which is in our 2015 textbook and the corrected 2014 textbook viewable online as part of the course:

    $4,000 – Correct! Baker's $25,000 basis in Alpha was increased by Baker's 100% share of Alpha's income (+$1,000) to $26,000, and reduced to zero to the extent of $26,000 of the $30,000 distribution. The $4,000 excess is treated by Baker as a capital gain and is taxable. The $3,000 capital loss is not available in the current year because the distribution reduced Baker's basis to zero. Instead, it will be carried forward to offset basis in future years.

    You bring up a great point about the answer explanation to 1813 seeming to provide misleading information regarding capital gains/losses and S-Corp basis. We are reviewing the answer explanation and our course materials for clarity on this subject of S-Corp stock basis.

    Thank you for your excellent question!

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