Two offers on the table – Local firm vs Wipfli

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  • #181070
    texasman
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    December 2013 Graduate with multiple offers on the table. Most appealing are a small one office firm (60 accountants) or Wipfli (roughly 1,200 national employees, primarily based in the Midwest).

    I want to run through the pros and cons and get your insight. Ultimately I would like to work for at least 3 years, have my CPA license, then move to LA to try acting/voice acting. I’m going to live frugally, save money, and pay off my $20k in student debt. Climbing the career ladder in a corporation ins’t the most appealing to me, so if I bomb in LA I’d find some avenue to use my accounting experience, but not necessarily Corporate America.

    I worked a tax internship before, did not enjoy tax that much, so want more of an audit role. Both firms will have me do tax come busy season, but offer more accounting/audit type work come off-season.

    -=-=-Small Firm-=-=-:

    Positives:

    +Pays hourly until Director level. My offer is for $24.50/hr or roughly $54-57k/year.

    +3 weeks PTO base, can bank overtime into additional OT (i.e. not uncommon to have 6 weeks PTO in the summer)

    +$2k signing bonus paid over my first 3-4 months.

    +Great people

    +$4k CPA pass bonus, first two attempts on each test are paid for, and first two attempts on each test are PTO

    Negatives:

    – Not well known outside of local market.

    – I would have to find a subleaser, move, find a new place, etc. Money is tight right now. (Land lord said there’s a possibility she may already have someone if I do decide to move)

    – Office is in the suburbs of a metro area I’m not the fondest of.

    -=-=-Wipfli-=-=-:

    Positives:

    +Internship offer just got upgraded to full-time as they knew I was debating other offers

    +Office is a 10 minute walk from my current apartment

    +Would not have to move.

    +Standard accounting firm benefits

    +More well known than small firm

    +Multiple locations. They mentioned I could work in my current city and move to a bigger office if I please.

    +I like the city I’m in quite a bit, although it’s small.

    +Will get exposure to forensic accounting as multiple CFEs are on staff and partner said he’d get me in touch with them after busy season.

    Negatives:

    -Salary is about $45k, standard for this area, but the cost of living in the bigger city of the small firm does not justify the $10k less money.

    -Weaker monetary benefits outside of pay (less PTO, smaller CPA pass bonus, etc.).

    -If I take the FT offer in my current city, even outside of tax season it’s gonna be more tax related than small firm.

    __________

    Overall, I like both firm’s culture and people. All offices I’ve visited have their own parking garage that’s free and underground. I can avoid most of the heavy traffic, etc. So basically it comes down to reputation, money, and location. Thoughts from the wiser bunch?

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  • #459895
    UCMCPA
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    Think in terms of growth and where you see yourself being happy.

    I would say that the smaller firm has a HEFTY lead in the pay department and if you like the people there and can stand the location, I would choose that.

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    #459988
    UCMCPA
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    Think in terms of growth and where you see yourself being happy.

    I would say that the smaller firm has a HEFTY lead in the pay department and if you like the people there and can stand the location, I would choose that.

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    #459897
    Anonymous
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    How much of the $10,000 pay difference will be left after you move, pay deposits, get set up and of that remaining amount…is it worth giving up the city/apartment/commute that you like when you will be moving to LA anyway in a few years anyway?

    #459989
    Anonymous
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    How much of the $10,000 pay difference will be left after you move, pay deposits, get set up and of that remaining amount…is it worth giving up the city/apartment/commute that you like when you will be moving to LA anyway in a few years anyway?

    #459899
    jeff
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    The hourly thing is huge. It takes the sting out of working the long hours/weekends.

    The benefits sound better too.

    If you're not fond of the city – that's not a big deal – it's not like you're retiring there.

    X factor: you said you will have to do more tax work – which you don't like – in the larger firm.

    My vote is for the smaller firm.

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    Jeff Elliott, CPA (KS)
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    #459991
    jeff
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    The hourly thing is huge. It takes the sting out of working the long hours/weekends.

    The benefits sound better too.

    If you're not fond of the city – that's not a big deal – it's not like you're retiring there.

    X factor: you said you will have to do more tax work – which you don't like – in the larger firm.

    My vote is for the smaller firm.

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    Jeff Elliott, CPA (KS)
    NINJA CPA | NINJA CMA | NINJA CPE | Another71
    #459902

    What is the comparison in terms of non-salary benefits (insurance, etc.)? With all the changes coming to health insurance, I'd personally take a careful look at the health insurance benefits offered.

    Not factoring that stuff in, I agree with Jeff's reasoning. The smaller firm sounds better for where you're at in your life and what you'd like to do over the next 3-5 years.

    #459993

    What is the comparison in terms of non-salary benefits (insurance, etc.)? With all the changes coming to health insurance, I'd personally take a careful look at the health insurance benefits offered.

    Not factoring that stuff in, I agree with Jeff's reasoning. The smaller firm sounds better for where you're at in your life and what you'd like to do over the next 3-5 years.

    #459904
    Wolfchicken
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    I vote smaller firm

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    #459995
    Wolfchicken
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    I vote smaller firm

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    #459906
    texasman
    Member

    The stretching of that $10k depends on a multitude of factors. I have a couple friends who I could possibly live with and pay low rent as I'm helping pay their mortgage. I also would not have to do the deposit+1st month's rent off the bat.

    I could live with them for say 4-5 months, or until summer arrives and I have some coin saved up. If I like living with them and they enjoy my company then perhaps I could stay until I leave the company. One friend would charge me less than what I'm currently paying!

    Maybe I'm just scared and frustrated with the prospect of having to move again.

    Long term career value wise, let's say I was applying to a dream company of mine, Activision Blizzard would having a firm such as Wipfli help me more than say the small local firm? Or is it strictly a wash reputation wise?

    #459997
    texasman
    Member

    The stretching of that $10k depends on a multitude of factors. I have a couple friends who I could possibly live with and pay low rent as I'm helping pay their mortgage. I also would not have to do the deposit+1st month's rent off the bat.

    I could live with them for say 4-5 months, or until summer arrives and I have some coin saved up. If I like living with them and they enjoy my company then perhaps I could stay until I leave the company. One friend would charge me less than what I'm currently paying!

    Maybe I'm just scared and frustrated with the prospect of having to move again.

    Long term career value wise, let's say I was applying to a dream company of mine, Activision Blizzard would having a firm such as Wipfli help me more than say the small local firm? Or is it strictly a wash reputation wise?

    #459908
    Keely
    Member

    I just want to add that even though you don't like tax much (I was opposite of you, love tax, hate audit), it is great you'll be able to do both. I worked at a VERY small firm before my current job, and I did both tax and audit work, as everyone did in the office. They are so talented and to know both sides of the equation is going to make you more marketable in the long run than name recognition of your firm, in my opinion.

    What part of TX are you in? I'm in Houston!

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    #459999
    Keely
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    I just want to add that even though you don't like tax much (I was opposite of you, love tax, hate audit), it is great you'll be able to do both. I worked at a VERY small firm before my current job, and I did both tax and audit work, as everyone did in the office. They are so talented and to know both sides of the equation is going to make you more marketable in the long run than name recognition of your firm, in my opinion.

    What part of TX are you in? I'm in Houston!

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    #459910
    kmaahs
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    Your positives for Wipfli are mostly about your location over the job itself.

    Based on your description I get the vibe you might have more interest in the smaller firm. And quite simply, there is nothing wrong with that.

    C.P.A.

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