What am I missing?!

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    Anonymous
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    Below is a question I got on the Wiley Test Bank:

    PVB-0065

    Simms Corporation reports under IFRS. Simms issued 2,000 $1,000 convertible bonds at par, with an annual interest rate of 5% when the market was 8%. The bonds are due in 5 years and each $1,000 bond is convertible into 3 shares of common stock. At what amount would Simms record teh liability component of the bond?

    a. 239,569

    b. 2,006,000

    c. 2,000,000

    d. 1,760,431

    I selected D because I knew it had to be at a discount because of the coupon rate v. market rate even thought I didn’t know how to calculate the answer.

    Wiley Explanation:

    This answer is correct. Under IFRS, convertible debt must be separated into its debt and equity components. To do this, discount the bond at market interest rates as in US GAAP. The liability component is the discounted amount and the equity component is the residual of the cash received less the discounted amount. Calculations are as follows:

    Face amount of the bonds: 2,000 × $1,000 = $2,000,000

    Present value of $1 for the principal ($2,000,000 × 0.68058) = $ 1,361,160

    Present value of an ordinary annuity for the interest ($100,000 × 3.99271) = $ 399,271

    Value of the liability = $ 1,760,431

    Value of the equity ($2,000,000 – $1,760,431) = $ 239,569

    Journal entry at issuance:

    Cash $2,000,000

    Bonds Payable $1,760,431

    Equity – conversion option $239,569

    My concern is how in the world would I calculate the actual amount with out the present value multipliers given to me? I would hate to thing this is an actual possibility on the exam. Especially if the answer choices were closer together in value.

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  • #542496
    raymondsfamily
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    Period PV of $1

    1 1.08 0.925925926

    2 1.08 1.08 0.85733882

    3 1.08 1.08 1.08 0.793832241

    4 1.08 1.08 1.08 1.08 0.735029853

    5 1.08 1.08 1.08 1.08 1.08 0.680583197

    PV of $1, Ordinary Annuity

    0.925925926

    1.783264746

    2.577096987

    3.31212684

    3.992710037

    All you would do (if the AICPA was horrid enough to give you a PV question and no tables to work with) is take the market rate at 8% + 1 (so 1.08) and compound it each period (ex. Period 2 is 1.08 x 1.08 and Period 3 is 1.08 x 1.08 x 1.08) through the number of periods given. Then you take that answer for each period and divide it into 1 (ex. Period 2 is 1/(1.08 x 1.08)) – this is your PV of $1. To get your PV of $1, Ordinary Annuity, simply add the periods' PV of $1 for whichever period you are working with (in this case, you are looking for Period 5, so add all the 5 PV of $1 calculations together and you'll get 3.992710037).

    AUD - 89
    BEC - 83
    FAR - 81
    REG - 86
    Finally done - many thanks to Jeff and A71!

    F - 5/8/13 81
    R - 74, 2/7/14 86
    B - 74, 12/6/13 82
    A - 70, 11/4/14 89!!!

    I'm done 🙂 Many thanks to Jeff, A71 and Roger CPA!!!

    MBA and CPA

    #542529
    raymondsfamily
    Participant

    Period PV of $1

    1 1.08 0.925925926

    2 1.08 1.08 0.85733882

    3 1.08 1.08 1.08 0.793832241

    4 1.08 1.08 1.08 1.08 0.735029853

    5 1.08 1.08 1.08 1.08 1.08 0.680583197

    PV of $1, Ordinary Annuity

    0.925925926

    1.783264746

    2.577096987

    3.31212684

    3.992710037

    All you would do (if the AICPA was horrid enough to give you a PV question and no tables to work with) is take the market rate at 8% + 1 (so 1.08) and compound it each period (ex. Period 2 is 1.08 x 1.08 and Period 3 is 1.08 x 1.08 x 1.08) through the number of periods given. Then you take that answer for each period and divide it into 1 (ex. Period 2 is 1/(1.08 x 1.08)) – this is your PV of $1. To get your PV of $1, Ordinary Annuity, simply add the periods' PV of $1 for whichever period you are working with (in this case, you are looking for Period 5, so add all the 5 PV of $1 calculations together and you'll get 3.992710037).

    AUD - 89
    BEC - 83
    FAR - 81
    REG - 86
    Finally done - many thanks to Jeff and A71!

    F - 5/8/13 81
    R - 74, 2/7/14 86
    B - 74, 12/6/13 82
    A - 70, 11/4/14 89!!!

    I'm done 🙂 Many thanks to Jeff, A71 and Roger CPA!!!

    MBA and CPA

    #542498
    Anonymous
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    Holy crap! I don't know if I hate that I am suppose to know this or I hate that it is so easy…this kind of crap is just wasted space in my very small brain!!

    #542531
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Holy crap! I don't know if I hate that I am suppose to know this or I hate that it is so easy…this kind of crap is just wasted space in my very small brain!!

    #542500

    I just ran across this question in WTB too.

    We're not required to memorize PV tables for the exam, right?!

    CPA (MA, Non Reporting) since Oct. 2015

     

    B – 33, 71, 79

    A – 32, 61, 70, 83

    R – 33, 58, 73, 69, 81

    F – 47, 78

    1st test 01/19/2013

    Last test 05/26/2015

     

    CPA (MA, Non-Reporting)

    The difference in winning & losing is most often, not quitting - Walt Disney

    B - 33, 71, 79!
    A - 32, 61, 70, 83!
    R - 33, 58, 73, 69, 81!
    F - 47, 78! 🙂
    After 3 long years, I'm finally DONE!
    I could not have done it without NINJA MCQs.

    Used: Roger for his Videos, WTB, and NINJA Audio, Notes and Test Bank.

    #542533

    I just ran across this question in WTB too.

    We're not required to memorize PV tables for the exam, right?!

    CPA (MA, Non Reporting) since Oct. 2015

     

    B – 33, 71, 79

    A – 32, 61, 70, 83

    R – 33, 58, 73, 69, 81

    F – 47, 78

    1st test 01/19/2013

    Last test 05/26/2015

     

    CPA (MA, Non-Reporting)

    The difference in winning & losing is most often, not quitting - Walt Disney

    B - 33, 71, 79!
    A - 32, 61, 70, 83!
    R - 33, 58, 73, 69, 81!
    F - 47, 78! 🙂
    After 3 long years, I'm finally DONE!
    I could not have done it without NINJA MCQs.

    Used: Roger for his Videos, WTB, and NINJA Audio, Notes and Test Bank.

    #542502
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I do not think it is likely that you will get a PV problem without getting the table entries.

    #542535
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I do not think it is likely that you will get a PV problem without getting the table entries.

    #542504
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    You don't need to memorize a PV table but you should be able to calculate one pretty quickly, just in case.

    #542537
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    You don't need to memorize a PV table but you should be able to calculate one pretty quickly, just in case.

    #542506
    Jordan23cc
    Participant

    I had a question without pv tables. So yes, it is possible.

    F - 2/15/2014 - 85
    B - 2/26/2014 - 88
    R - 4/1/2014 - 83
    A - 4/21/2014 - 95

    Licensed CPA in TX

    I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

    #542539
    Jordan23cc
    Participant

    I had a question without pv tables. So yes, it is possible.

    F - 2/15/2014 - 85
    B - 2/26/2014 - 88
    R - 4/1/2014 - 83
    A - 4/21/2014 - 95

    Licensed CPA in TX

    I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

    #542508

    Or conversely you could just raise the 1.08 to the power of number of years assuming the calculator has powers

    MBA,CMA,CPA, CFF?, ABV?

    #542541

    Or conversely you could just raise the 1.08 to the power of number of years assuming the calculator has powers

    MBA,CMA,CPA, CFF?, ABV?

    #542510
    stoleway
    Participant

    This is so helpful, now I know how to come up with my own PV table. Thanks so much @raymondsfamily

    REG -63│ 84!!
    BEC- 59│70│ 71 │78!
    AUD- 75!
    FAR- 87!

    Mass-CPA

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