CPA License Experience Advice

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  • #2492001
    Pete
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    Hello,

    I haven’t posted here in a while. I passed the CPA and the CFE exam a few years ago, but haven’t been able to find the experience to fulfill the work-hour requirements for either license.

    I’m currently 30 and work at a small not-for-profit organization as an accountant. I started at the organization about 2 years ago. Part of the reason I initially took the job was that I believed my boss had his license already, which he did; however, it was inactive. He was also the CFO of numerous organizations (and had a lot of public accounting experience); that certainly provided me with a lot of great experience. At the time of this offer, I was also applying to CPA firms, like crazy, yet got very little interest, so I ended up taking the job at the NFP. Fast forward, my boss ended up leaving for many reasons (mainly, a lot of the people there will back-stab you and throw you under the bus – overall, just a really negative environment).

    I have about 6 months experience in public accounting firms (1 internship/1 tax season job). I was planning to apply to accounting manager gigs at other companies, but they all seem to require public accounting/cpa experience. Part of my issue is that my organization pays so little, relative to what I do; I make under 50k/year (haven’t received a raise yet).

    In the past, most of the firms, which offered audit roles, barely gave me the time of day, despite all my experience and networking. They only seemed interested in hiring campus recruits or experienced people (almost like you either get into public accounting in college or you don’t work in public accounting ever). I have gotten some interest in very small firms (under 5 people), but I’ve had a bad experience in the past, where the firm used me for tax season (since the work is almost entirely tax driven – then after tax season, the work dried up). The firm I was at had 100+ hour weeks, which make the medium firm I interned at seem very tame.

    Any advice on fulfilling my license and/or progressing in my career?

    B=84 This exam was such a b**** that I thought I failed-don't know how these things work
    A=76 Slacker I am, I'll happily take it
    R=81 I LOVE taxes
    F=80 I don't wanna get banned for an expletive I'm thinking with "yea" proceeding it

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  • #2494161
    Recked
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    What state are you in?
    Does your state accept the NASBA experience verification? Does your state allow the CPA firm that handles your NFP tax returns or audit to sign off on your experience?
    Did into your state specific experience qualifications a bit more and maybe contact the board to see if they have any suggestions for you to work around the issue.

    Memento Mori - Kingston NY CPA & EA (SUNY Albany 2002)

    FAR-93 11/9/17 (10wks, 250 hrs, Roger 1800+ MCQs, Gleim TB 600+MCQs, SIMs)
    AUD-88 12/7/17 (3 wks, 85 hrs, Roger 1000 MCQs no SIMs hail mary)
    REG-96 1/18/18 (6 wks, 110 hrs, 1400 MCQs, no SIMs)
    BEC-91 2/16/18 (4wks, 90 hrs, 1240 MCQs)

    #2494350
    Pete
    Participant

    I’m in CT. My state requires that you work under an active CPA for a certain length of time (think it’s 2 years for non-audit). Also, my state doesn’t allow for that Nasba experience verification last I checked.

    Asking the audit firm for a verification might work, although they might not do it, as I don’t directly work for them. I’ll have to ask if I can even use that type of experience as my state is pretty strict about things.

    B=84 This exam was such a b**** that I thought I failed-don't know how these things work
    A=76 Slacker I am, I'll happily take it
    R=81 I LOVE taxes
    F=80 I don't wanna get banned for an expletive I'm thinking with "yea" proceeding it

    #2494431
    Recked
    Participant

    Can you give a job description of your current work? Routine vs non-routine seems to be a sticking point for CT.
    _
    Here are the actual rules and regulations which might be useful to you.
    The part about petitioning the board might be something to look in to.
    Can be found at the following link if the formatting does not work on this site.
    https://eregulations.ct.gov/eRegsPortal/Browse/RCSA?id=Title%2020|20-280|20-280-24|20-280-24

    Sec. 20-280-24. Experience

    (a) Amount of experience. An applicant for an initial certificate shall have the following experience:

    (1) Three years if the applicant first took the examination required by subsection (5) of section 20-281-21 of the Regulations of Connecticut State Agencies prior to January 1, 2000 and possesses the educational qualifications set forth in section 20-280-23 of the Regulations of Connecticut State Agencies but does not possess the educational qualifications set forth in section 20-280-22 of the Regulations of Connecticut State Agencies.

    (2) Two years in all other cases.

    (b) When experience can be obtained. For experience to be credited toward the satisfaction of the requirements of this section, such experience shall have been obtained no earlier than 10 years prior to the date of receipt by the department of a complete application for initial certification.

    (c) Verification of experience.

    (1) For experience to be credited toward the satisfaction of the requirements of this section, such experience shall be verified, in such form as the board may require, by a person acting in one of the following capacities in relation to the applicant:

    (A) As a supervising CPA holding a valid CPA certificate for no less than three years prior to the verification of such experience;

    (B) As a supervising public accountant holding a public accountant license for no less than 3 years prior to the verification of such experience;

    (C) As human resources personnel, at the direction of a supervising CPA holding a valid CPA license for no less than 3 years prior to verifying such experience;

    (D) As human resources personnel at the direction of a supervising public accountant holding a valid public accountant license for no less than 3 years prior to verifying such experience; or

    (E) As an auditor of public accounts for the state of Connecticut for an applicant whose experience was obtained, in whole or in part, while employed by the Office of the Auditors of Public Accounts if no one who had held a CPA license or a public accountant license for three years was in a supervisory capacity over said applicant.

    (2) The board may require an interview of an applicant and an inspection of working papers, reports and other documentation relating to the applicant's claimed experience. Such inspection may, at the option of the board, be conducted at the board's office or at such other location as the board may designate, in which case any person having custody of such documentation shall produce it upon request of the board. All verifications relative to experience shall be made under penalty of perjury.

    (d) Computation of time. In computing experience for the purpose of this section, the board shall consider thirty-five (35) hours per week as full-time employment. If an applicant worked in excess of thirty-five (35) hours in any one week, he or she shall receive a maximum of one week's full-time employment credit. The board may accept part-time employment in satisfaction of the experience requirement, provided no credit shall be given for part-time employment for any week in which the applicant has worked for less than twenty (20) hours. The board shall convert all part-time employment claimed for credit into full-time employment equivalents on the basis of a thirty-five (35) hour week. One year of experience shall consist of fifty-two (52) weeks and shall include vacation, holidays, and time for illness not to exceed two-hundred and forty (240) hours in the aggregate.

    (e) Qualifying experience. The applicant shall demonstrate to the satisfaction of the board that he or she has experience consisting of having provided services or advice involving the use of accounting, attest, management advisory, tax or consulting skills all of which was supervised by a licensed CPA or public accountant unless otherwise specified. Such experience shall be obtained in the following categories, or any combination thereof:

    (1) Public Practice: Experience may be gained through employment as a staff accountant of a firm of certified public accountants where such experience is of a non-routine accounting nature, such that it requires independent thought and judgment on accounting matters. The work shall have involved application of appropriate technical and behavioral standards such as the standards contained in the Code of Professional Conduct, Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, including International Financial Reporting Standards promulgated by the International Accounting Standards Board; Generally Accepted Auditing Standards, including those auditing standards promulgated by the PCAOB; Statements on Standards for Attestation Engagements; Statements on Standards for Accounting and Review Services; the Statement on Standards for Tax Services or the Statements on Standards for Management Consulting Services, collectively known as “the Professional Standards”, as defined by the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants.

    Examples of work qualifying under this subsection include, but are not limited to:

    (A) review and evaluation of internal control policies and procedures;

    (B) testing of compliance with internal control policies and procedures;

    (C) preparation of working papers or electronic documentation in connection with elements of work accomplished;

    (D) planning, revision or updating of audit programs to be followed;

    (E) drafting or reviewing memoranda, conclusions, notes;

    (F) preparation or analysis of financial statements or reports;

    (G) performance of procedures for the verification of the following kinds of accounts: accounts receivable; inventory accounts, including valuation and physical verification; bank accounts; investment accounts; fixed asset accounts, including depreciation; intangible assets; accounts payable, accrued liabilities; reserves, in accordance with specific industry requirements; unrecorded liabilities; and appropriate analytical review of revenues and expenses;

    (H) review and preparation of tax provisions and reserves including research for determination of tax provision and related tax reserves, research for determination of taxable earnings and profits, reconciliation of books to tax return adjustments, review of tax returns to determine adequacy of income tax reserves, analysis of tax positions taken in making judgments affecting tax provisions and reserves;

    (I) preparation of financial statements from accounting records without audit and the preparation of related tax returns; performance of other related services requiring a knowledge of Generally Accepted Accounting Principles; tax related activities; review of financial projections; accountings for estates and fiduciaries;

    (J) preparation of books of original entry, preparation of payrolls, checks, payroll tax reports, sales and similar tax returns, posting to subsidiary ledgers; or

    (K) design and installation of accounting, cost or other systems when not related to an extension of auditing assignments; other management advisory services.

    (2) Government practice: Experience may be gained through employment with accounting agencies or within federal, state or municipal government where such experience is of a non-routine accounting nature, such that it requires independent thought and judgment on accounting matters. The applicant shall obtain experience in assessing the adequacy of the agency's internal controls by developing an understanding of the accounting agency transaction processes and information systems. Such experience includes obtaining an understanding of the areas or industries with which the applicant's agency operates, including the operations of similar service providers. The board will review on a case-by-case basis, experience that does not clearly match the following categories of government employment:

    (A) employment in state government as an accountant or an auditor;

    (B) employment in federal government as an accountant or auditor at a GS-7 level or higher;

    (C) employment as a special agent in accounting with the Federal Bureau of Investigations;

    (D) military service as an accountant or auditor; and

    (E) employment with other government entities, including, but not limited to municipalities, as an accountant or auditor.

    (3) Industry: Experience may be gained in industry where such experience is of a non-routine accounting nature such that it continually requires independent thought and judgment on accounting matters. The applicant shall obtain experience in assessing the adequacy of the employer's internal controls by developing an understanding of the employer's transaction processes and information systems. The applicant shall also obtain experience in tax return preparation and research, preparation and analysis of financial statements, cost accounting, budgeting, and the application of accounting principles. Such experience includes obtaining an understanding of the industry in which the applicant's employer operates, including the employer's competition and key competitiveness factors that affect the industry. Professional services performed under this category include any service offered in the course of practicing public accountancy, as defined in section 20-279b of the Connecticut General Statutes, even though such services are not offered to the public.

    (f) Content of experience: In order to be granted an initial certificate, the applicant shall demonstrate that the experience gained in the categories specified in this section included:

    (1) understanding of the Code of Conduct promulgated and adopted by the board;

    (2) the ability to assess the achievement of an entity's objectives by demonstrating knowledge of various business organizations, understanding of the goals and objectives of various business entities, the ability to develop and analyze factors, and understanding of the economic and regulatory trends that affect an entity's environment;

    (3) experience in preparing documentation that includes sufficient relevant data to support the analysis and conclusions required and reflected in the applicant's work;

    (4) experience in preparation and analysis of financial statements together with explanations and notes thereon; and

    (5) understanding transaction processes and information systems, including the ability to understand how individual transactions aggregate at the organizational level, to infer how transactions effect the organization as a whole, and to evaluate the integrity and reliability of various client information systems, including relevant computer aspects.

    (g) Non-conforming experience: Petitioning the board.

    An applicant who wishes to submit experience to support his or her application for an initial certified public accountant certificate, which does not match the scope and breadth set forth above, including, but not limited to, experience gained as an instructor at a college or university, shall bear the burden of proof to demonstrate that the experience submitted is of sufficient quality and diversity to fulfill the requirements in subsection (e) of this section.

    (h) Evidence of applicant's experience.

    (1) Any licensee who has been requested by an applicant to submit to the board evidence of the applicant's experience and has refused to do so shall, upon the request of the board, explain in writing or in person the basis for such refusal.

    (2) Any licensee who has furnished evidence of an applicant's experience to the board shall, upon request by the board, document the information in writing, by exhibit, in person, or by a combination thereof.

    (3) Any applicant may be required to appear before the board or its representative(s) to respond to questions or to supplement or verify evidence of experience in writing, by exhibit, in person or by a combination thereof.

    (4) The board may require inspection of any and all documentation relating to an applicant's claimed experience including, but not limited to, any underlying tax returns, financial statements, work papers or other documentation. The inspections may be made at the board offices or, at board option, at any other locations that the board may designate. A licensee in custody of the requested documentation shall produce such documentation upon request. All documents made available to the board pursuant to this section, shall remain protected by all applicable confidentiality and privileges.

    (i) Additional ongoing experience requirements for licensees who perform or supervise attest or compilation services and who sign or authorize another to sign reports on financial statements.

    Any individual licensee who performs or is responsible for supervising attest or compilation services or who signs or authorizes another person to sign reports on financial statements on behalf of the firm shall meet the following additional requirements:

    (1) Certified public accountant license. The individual shall hold a current valid license to practice public accountancy, in good standing, issued by the board or by a State Board of Accountancy located in jurisdiction designated by the National Association of the State Boards of Accountancy as substantially equivalent.

    (2) Competency. The individual shall meet the competency requirements set forth in the Statements on Quality Control Standards contained in the Professional Standards issued by the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants; and

    (3) Continuing professional education. The individual shall earn 8 hours of the 40 hours of continuing professional education, required pursuant to section 20-280-25 (a) of the Regulations of Connecticut State Agencies, in the subject area of attest or compilation services.

    Memento Mori - Kingston NY CPA & EA (SUNY Albany 2002)

    FAR-93 11/9/17 (10wks, 250 hrs, Roger 1800+ MCQs, Gleim TB 600+MCQs, SIMs)
    AUD-88 12/7/17 (3 wks, 85 hrs, Roger 1000 MCQs no SIMs hail mary)
    REG-96 1/18/18 (6 wks, 110 hrs, 1400 MCQs, no SIMs)
    BEC-91 2/16/18 (4wks, 90 hrs, 1240 MCQs)

    #2495280
    Silent
    Participant

    California is no longer 2 years experience requirement. Now it's just one year.

    #2495694
    Pete
    Participant

    I mean, I assist with month end and year end stuff. I do projections and assist with the budget preparation, accruals (bad debt, prepaid items, gross potential), bank recs, cost allocations, and assist with the audit. I have also prepared reports from scratch, which require cost allocations. I've assisted in setting up a new accounting entity and handle inter-company transactions. I also must do entries, where I determine weather accounts will be capitalized or expensed.

    There is definitely some judgement in what I do; the problem is that my state will likely state it's not “good enough” and that they “rarely grant licenses,” under the third option. I usually only think educators can get away with option 3.

    B=84 This exam was such a b**** that I thought I failed-don't know how these things work
    A=76 Slacker I am, I'll happily take it
    R=81 I LOVE taxes
    F=80 I don't wanna get banned for an expletive I'm thinking with "yea" proceeding it

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