Boutique Practice, Yay or Nay

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    CPA is a WIP
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    Hello all,
    Hope everyone is well. Today I am posting a rather peculiar question for the A71 community. About a month ago, a former Big 8 auditor (Arthur Anderson) approached me via LinkedIn. He inquired if I was interested in opportunities. He is seeking to fill a FT Accountant role in his practice. I looked over the job description, and I checked off all the boxes he is seeking in a candidate. However, the job description mention that no benefits are offered (i.e., health, retirement, etc.). I kindly told him I would pass on this opportunity due to NO benefits. Today, a month later, his secretary reached out again with an amended job description, and now the role is offering full fringe benefits. Additionally, the salary would be $1.2k lower than what I am making now. In addition, the commute will be 30 minutes longer than what I currently travel for work.
    He owns a boutique bookkeeping and tax practice. Just himself, a junior accountant, a secretary and business office manager. All that being said, what are your views about working for such a small owner? Could he cut these benefits at any time to save on overhead? I am mostly concerned about the health insurance he is offering, it could be a low-end HMO, which suck. I currently have a PPO that is good.

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  • #3115639
    Recked
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    Less money, worse benefits, and longer commute.

    The absolute only way this makes ANY sense is if your long term goal is to be self employed.
    Nothing about this makes any sense to me unless you want to learn the ropes of having you own sole prop shop.
    He's likely looking to fill a seat for the upcoming tax season, and then who knows where you will be after tax season.

    What is your current employer situation and role and why are you considering this move?

    Memento Mori - Kingston NY CPA & EA (SUNY Albany 2002)

    FAR-93 11/9/17 (10wks, 250 hrs, Roger 1800+ MCQs, Gleim TB 600+MCQs, SIMs)
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    #3115708
    monikernc
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    How much interaction have you had with this person? Have you visited the office? Meet the other staff? What is attractive about this lower-money, sketchy-benefits, offer? I would politely decline but you have to make your own choice to leave a good job. I think good, affordable insurance is a big deal.
    Give us your thoughts…

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    #3115753
    CPA is a WIP
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    Recked, I was hoping you chimed in! You give solid advise! I am currently an Accountant with a municipality, and I perform all of the general accounting, prepare accruals/audit workpapers, and file state reports for the City. I have been employed with the City for nearly 3 years. And only received a merit increase 1 of the 3 years. Not due to performance, but due to budget constraints the City has and is facing. I do A LOT of work for the Treasurer's Office and I am called on by the Director daily for all random inquiries he may have.
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    The other Accountant does the payroll and some ad hoc reports. I work 40 hours a week, 15 minute commute and only work OT during the Summer for our y/e audit. For the most part, the people there are OK to work with, but the Finance Director is a HUGE pain in the tookus to work with! He is very demanding among other nasty things I won't mention. And mostly has a nasty attitude which has me on the verge of just calling it quits on most days!
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    I am not actively seeking employment yet, I just thought it was divine intervention on how the “opportunity” from the solo practitioner just fell into my lap, per se.
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    Monikernc – you also give great advise, glad to see you opinion on this matter. I have not done of the things you have mention. The only thing that really “attracted” me to this lead was the tax exposure for both corporate and individual. he and I have only communicated via email and LinkedIn.
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    From my due diligence , his office is inside a strip mall, the business was incorporated as an LLC in 2013, and he is a CPA with an MST with Big 8 experience. And wants a Accountant to perform tax, payroll, and bookkeeping duties, per job description.
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    My gut tells me to stay put for now, and in the near future look at more established organizations.
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    Lastly, I have decided to go for the CPA credential! I am 37 but still believe the R.O.I. would be worth it! That said, I purchased the Wiley course, any ideas on how to most properly utilize this product to pass these exams asap? I never learned by instruction/lecture, I learn by doing and seeing how things work!
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    Thank you both very much! I appreciate good people like you who are willing to give someone a helping hand!

    #3116458
    Recked
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    Well, it's certainly never too late for the CPA. I was 37 when I sat for the exams, and my earning potential increased exponentially. If you are in muni government I have to make a couple assumptions. 1, you are union, 2 you have excellent benefits including great health, and 3 you have some sort of pension that you are 3 years into vesting into.
    Let me know if any of these are incorrect.

    So if I were in your shoes I would take 1 of 2 possible paths.
    First step on both paths is to keep your 40/hr a week muni job and go after the CPA aggressively. I would put myself on a one year path(my original plan) and then see if you can beat that goal. Once you jump ship to a public firm you will wish you only worked 40 hours a week and had more time to study for the CPA exam!!
    Is there anyone if your current position that can sign off on your CPA experience? Experience requirements vary by state, in some you need to work under a CPA, in others you might be able to have someone else sign off, such as the CPA firm that reviews your work for a Muni audit. Experience is going to be the next step to getting the CPA license after you pass the exams.

    Step 2 is a little more complex and depends on your answers to the above questions. If you are vesting into a pension you will have to weigh this option carefully.

    Option A would be to keep your Muni job working 40 hours a week, and then during tax season work another 20-30 hours a week on the side with your own sole prop tax firm. You can easily make as much as you currently make with a tax shop on the side. It would be slow to start, and the learning curve would be heavy as you have no tax experience I assume, but this would probably be the option I would lean towards. But remember I have 20 years in tax and I love it, and I love having a practice and making my own money, building my own client base. Eventually your practice will become big enough that you don't need your day job, or you get vested in your pension and can afford to leave to work for yourself full time.

    Option B is to get your CPA and then scout out other muni jobs. CPA plus muni/gov't experience might land you in a similar but better paying position. You could possibly move from the city to a state job, or even a local state college. Combine climbing this career ladder with Option A for maximum results. (I know a woman who is the Dean of accounting for a local college and has her own tax practice on the side. Tax season is opposite their audit season for the college so it makes for a great fit. She makes money from the tax practice, and she has the great benefits plus pension, etc.)

    Option C might be a little more aggressive. You have gov't experience which can be very valuable to a firm that audits gov't entities. Once you get the CPA you can look to leverage your government experience into taking a position with an audit firm that has a need for your skill set.

    So all the steps start with the CPA, make that your goal and crush it in the next year. Then figure out if you want to go audit, tax or stay in muni. I do tax, I love tax. Some people prefer audit and there's nothing wrong with that. The real accounting money is in audit, but it would take a while before you really start to reap the benefits as you need to work you way up the food chain.
    If you want some tax experience maybe tell the guy you have need to keep your current day job, but would be willing to work weekends during tax season to get a feel for what his firm is like? You might love it, you might hate it. The strip mall almost makes it sound like a store front operation, which I'm not a huge fan of, but you never know. It might have just been an affordable high traffic space.

    Always remember in the accounting game, and any game in the real world… People are looking to make money off of your work. That's the bottom line. That's why people hire other people. It's up to you to know your worth, and to develop your skill set and knowledge base to increase your worth. The CPA automatically increases your visible worth, but without the experience and skills to back it up, it's just 3 letters after your name. Let me know if you have more questions, always looking to help.

    Memento Mori - Kingston NY CPA & EA (SUNY Albany 2002)

    FAR-93 11/9/17 (10wks, 250 hrs, Roger 1800+ MCQs, Gleim TB 600+MCQs, SIMs)
    AUD-88 12/7/17 (3 wks, 85 hrs, Roger 1000 MCQs no SIMs hail mary)
    REG-96 1/18/18 (6 wks, 110 hrs, 1400 MCQs, no SIMs)
    BEC-91 2/16/18 (4wks, 90 hrs, 1240 MCQs)

    #3116464
    Recked
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    As far as Wiley, I know people who have used it, and most stopped watching the lectures by their 3 or 4 tests.
    So my advice, if you don't learn from lectures. Skip the lectures, read the book, do the MCQs. If you have trouble understanding a concept, watch the lecture.

    Sometimes the lectures will give you some very important test taking advice or tips, such as keywords to look for in a question, or saying a Mnemonic that you might remember from seeing in the video. They are probably in the book as well, but seeing them in the videos was what helped me remember but I am visual.
    Good luck on your CPA prep!!

    Memento Mori - Kingston NY CPA & EA (SUNY Albany 2002)

    FAR-93 11/9/17 (10wks, 250 hrs, Roger 1800+ MCQs, Gleim TB 600+MCQs, SIMs)
    AUD-88 12/7/17 (3 wks, 85 hrs, Roger 1000 MCQs no SIMs hail mary)
    REG-96 1/18/18 (6 wks, 110 hrs, 1400 MCQs, no SIMs)
    BEC-91 2/16/18 (4wks, 90 hrs, 1240 MCQs)

    #3116709
    monikernc
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    @CPAisaWIP Governments need really good accountants. Get your CPA but also start working on your state's government finance credentials too. Generally, it is the Certified Public Finance Officer credential. Look for your state's. Info on CPFO is here: https://www.gfoa.org/cpfo
    Here in Colorado it is the Colorado Government Finance Officers Association
    You can do quite well in government accounting. Plus unlike private accounting you should have good benefits and pension options. I hope you consider staying in government. I worked in gov't IT for most of my career and would love to do government accounting but keep getting beat out by younger folks for jobs….aaarrgggh!
    I am from NC and they have an entire school of government finance, administration and IT curriculums through UNC-Chapel Hill's School of Govt, that does their certifications and CPE for government accountants. I received my Certified Govt CIO credential through the same school.
    I think you have a brilliant future ahead of you! Go for it! I started on my CPA in my 50s….no looking back!
    And again, if it were me, it would be a hard NO on this offer.

    AUD - 93
    BEC - 82
    FAR - 76
    REG - 88
    How have you been?
    Ninja book and MCQs and the forum, all first try! 2016
    Licensed State of Montana April Fool’s Day 2020
    State of Colorado June 2020 - AICPA Ethics 93
    Experience was the worst part of the journey for me. You?
    If you want things to change you have to do something different.

    FAR 7/25/15 76!
    AUD 10/30/15 93
    BEC 2/27/16 82
    REG 5/23/16 88!
    Ninja Book and MCQ and the forum - all the way!!!
    and a little thing i like to call, time and effort!
    if you want things to change, you have to do something different

    #3116847
    Jodie
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    @CPAisaWIP, if you are going for the exam, stay put for the meantime while studying. As you said, the only overtime is during Summer time a little bit. This will give you more time to prepare the exam without much stress from work. Nasty boss? Ignore him! Can you be sure the new boss is better? Maybe not. Grasses always look better on the other side of the fence. If you jump ship right now to a much smaller company, you might have to work a lot more hours and under stress. Focus on your future goal and ignore the nasty boss.

    Better Late Than Never!

     

    #3204770
    2010CPA
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    @CPAisaWIP, I sat for the exam and passed right before 40. The pay increase alone (having CPA on my resume and moving companies) was very much worth it for me (30%).

    I would say go for it!

    Personally, I would not go work for such a small company unless as mentioned above, you want to learn the ropes and having your own company.

    FL CPA since 2016

    "When obstacles arise, you change your direction to reach your goal. You do not change your decision to get there" - Zig Ziglar

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