Accounting careers and poor performance reviews
February 16, 2017 at 8:13 pm #1479682
I could ask you to confirm that “2+2=4” and your response would be “That's your perspective” See how that doesn't add to the discussion?February 16, 2017 at 8:25 pm #1479690
Agreed, just go get another job if you keep getting bad reviews (2 or more), especially if they're coming from the same person/people evaluating you. I had one job where the department manager, who was our boss, never did the reviews. He let his assistant manager, who basically supervised me and one other person, do the written reviews every 6-12 months. The assistant and I hated each other from the get-go – but, he supervised me, so he knew that his words on paper would be taken to heart by senior management. On a scale of 1-10, I never got above ‘6' in any category.
Right before I resigned, I had a performance evaluation which was very bad, just due to the fact that our hatred for each other had grown to an exponential level over the past 6 months.
I resigned a week or so later. I'm sure he was overjoyed. If you and a boss have irreconcilable differences after 6-12 months, just quit. Do not waste your valuable career time at a job where you are unappreciated or where they have no respect for you, even though your work is good.February 16, 2017 at 8:28 pm #1479694
I have worked for a firm that buttered me up so well, basically spoiled day in and out. The managing partner of the firm offered tickets to professional sporting events and leased $100,000+ luxury vehicles, etc. One of the Seniors I worked under knew what kind of vehicle I was interested in getting for myself, so the managing partner ended up leasing the same make of the car, but a much higher end model. They did things like this and what they essentially were doing was dangling a carrot in front of me on a stick. Then when performance reviews came around, they would say things like, “We don't think it's working out” and were very blunt about immaterial things in my work when I had been the one training other employees and reviewing the quality of their work. I worked directly with the Senior Managers and there was never any indication that the work I performed was poor quality. But at the same time they would bring in other people to interview to make you feel you could be replaced at any time. This type of environment I think has made me more independent, driven, and capable than the typical accounting firms that are so adverse to personality.February 16, 2017 at 8:38 pm #1479700
And that is just to name a few techniques, I can go on about different training techniques that I highly doubt accountants at the more traditional firms get to experience. I would consider traditional firm training to be basic training. Like they are asleep at the wheel and don't really care to give any specialized training or to help you better develop as a professional.February 16, 2017 at 9:28 pm #1479736
You seriously believe your managing partner got a car of the same model you were dreaming of as a staff just to tease you? My god, just how big is your ego? And they “trained” you by giving you bad reviews to prepare you for future greatness, because they saw you could be an exceptional leader?
God have mercy on people that work for you. I'd ask you where you work just to make sure our professional paths don't ever have to cross.February 16, 2017 at 9:38 pm #1479738
Based on some of the posts above, I am SO GLAD I don't work in public accounting!February 16, 2017 at 9:52 pm #1479747
Yes, I wonder what makes that so hard to believe? Anyone can get a job and follow a set of checklists to complete their work…”any monkey can do that” or so they say…
There is a more psychological aspect to the training I received because of the personality I portrayed when interviewing in addition to my past experience and achievement in sales and management presented on my resume. I have always had more of an entrepreneurial drive rather than the common submissive accountant personality.
They were grooming me to become Partner, or at least CFO if that's ultimately what I wanted. I took the positives from this training experience as learning how to deal with ego, learning to have patience, learning how to be objective and assertive, and learning how to handle rejection and show resilience in the face of adversity.
I received all this type of training in addition to the standard working up files and dealing with clients basic training. That is a walk in the park essentially that “any monkey can do” 😛February 16, 2017 at 10:06 pm #1479756
brickell if i were you supervisor i'd most certainly give you poor reviews based on how much of a clown you've demonstrated yourself to be on this forum.February 16, 2017 at 10:07 pm #1479757
Worst humble brag ever. 😉February 16, 2017 at 10:09 pm #1479760
“I have always had more of an entrepreneurial drive rather than the common submissive accountant personality.”
Comments like the one above are why I sometimes think you are trolling. Why make the generalized statement that accountants are submissive? You have called us sheep before.
I am glad you have been groomed to become partner. I guess that explains why in one of your posts you mentioned you have only stayed at jobs a year because management becomes aggressive towards you at every job you have ever had. Some of the things you say honestly do not add up.
However, I am glad that you have received the type of training that goes hand in hand with your entrepreneurial personality.February 16, 2017 at 10:12 pm #1479762
Haha that's fine. I've transcended the confinement of what typical accountants are shackled to. Most of you most likely don't even understand the legal environment in which accountants operate, why the checklists exist, or why you are expected to behave like a robot. I doubt many of you have dealt with attorneys in the accounting environment or even understand the concept of substance vs form, etc.
But best of luck to you all, it is pretty clear to me the difference that makes a strong independent leader and an obedient one.February 16, 2017 at 10:14 pm #1479763February 16, 2017 at 10:25 pm #1479769
There was a guy at my last job who, by the time I left, was in the midst of wrecking the whole department thanks to the fact that he called us “sheep” too. From the day he joined the company, he was Lord Almighty, even though he hadn't done anything to earn his salary! People complained to senior management many times about him and nothing was ever done (he was a smooth-talking bullshit artist and even during his interview, I think he painted them into a corner). If I hadn't planned to leave the company when I did, I would have left very soon after, because the department would have been reduced to dust thanks to this egocentric moron. Ighhh! BTW, Brickell, this is the first round of posts of yours that I've ever seen so no clue as to your history on here at all.February 17, 2017 at 12:00 am #1479841
@brickell – “Most of you most likely don’t even understand the legal environment in which accountants operate, why the checklists exist, or why you are expected to behave like a robot. I doubt many of you have dealt with attorneys in the accounting environment or even understand the concept of substance vs form, etc.”
What a pompous load of rubbish. Again it is no wonder you receive poor reviews and aren't thriving in your work environment.February 17, 2017 at 1:20 am #1479876
op, what are you talking about?February 17, 2017 at 5:20 am #1479916
What do you mean not thriving?
I think maybe you have selective reading and only choose to read and comprehend as you like. What you and others are doing is trolling me because you guys are offended and have a primitive tribal mob mentality.
Please remove yourself from the discussion if you are frustrated and cannot have an open minded discussion. The only issue here are accountants who are defensive because they have been boxed in their entire careers and have a one dimensional perspective.February 17, 2017 at 5:38 am #1479919
@kalikingz I would like to think we are having a discussion about accounting careers but instead it appears to have devolved to boxed in accountants feeling defensive. They choose to not recognize that being boxed in and trained like a robot is not how great leadership skills for higher level positions are developed. Perhaps at some firms that is preferred but again that is not ideal to develop leadership qualities. Just obedient robots.February 17, 2017 at 8:25 am #1479976
@brickellcpa I hope you actually do go back and read your responses to others. How is that every post you end up calling everyone a bunch of boxed in accountants or some other names.
At some point you have to take a step back and wonder if its really others on the forum or maybe its you that cant seem to carry on a discussion.
In the words of my favorite TV character Raylan Givens “You run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. You run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.”February 17, 2017 at 9:09 am #1480005
I can say the same for others. If someone is going to ask questions and then become offended at the response and focus on what they are offended about instead of building on the discussion, that only proves my point that those type of people are entitled and incapable of taking criticism and have been babied throughout their career.February 17, 2017 at 9:36 am #1480066
How can you say the same for others? You are the only person on this thread whose had several people say your comments make you sound like an asshole. I don't give two shits about the way you've been groomed. That's great for you. You have added no value to this forum with this thread and all you have done is insult people that don't agree with your perspective.February 17, 2017 at 9:45 am #1480078
“They choose to not recognize that being boxed in and trained like a robot is not how great leadership skills for higher level positions are developed. Perhaps at some firms that is preferred but again that is not ideal to develop leadership qualities. Just obedient robots.”
Have you stopped and thought that “They” don't give a shit about developing leadership skills for higher level positions?
I used to look down upon “steady eddies”, people that showed up at 9 left exactly at 5. People that didn't want to learn anything new or take on new responsibilities, etc. And at some point, I realized that I was a complete asshole for looking down on these people. Who am I to expect them to have the ambition that I have? What makes my view on career progression right and theirs wrong?
Not everyone is like you. Not everyone is like me. Guess what? That's okay. So don't push your mightier than thou bullshit onto people that don't give a fuck. Next time someone posts something along the line of “What does it take to make a good leader” share your experience there. But don't ever say there your way is the best way.February 17, 2017 at 9:47 am #1480086
I am not being insulting. I am providing details about my experience and responding to your posts and questions because clearly you are interested in what I have to say. Of course my perspective will make me the odd man out because, well, I haven't received the same basic training as the majority of others. Others have not yet transcended out of the confinement of subservient staff work vs higher level managerial training. I have graciously explained to you all my reasoning regarding the use of performance review and the difference in training people receive, yet you continue to deny it and focus on why you are offended. Think about that for a second and let it sink in.February 17, 2017 at 9:54 am #1480089
“Others have not yet transcended out of the confinement of subservient staff work vs higher level managerial training.”
There you go again. Do you actually read comments before you respond to them? Do you read for sake of responding or actually absorbing what is said?
“yet you continue to deny it and focus on why you are offended”
-What am I offended by?
Your training = Superior Leadership Skills
Everyone else's training = inferior to your training. Everyone else is trained to be robots.
Is this your point?February 17, 2017 at 9:59 am #1480096
Everything that needed to be said has been said. This discussion is now derailed because people have taken offense and cannot accept the truth of the matter which I've taken the time to respectfully explain to you guys. And instead of thanking me for this realization, you continue to attack me for helping you realize the truth.
I am not going to post any longer since the topic has now devolved and is no longer fruitful for information.February 17, 2017 at 10:02 am #1480107
Actually, you are the only person that cannot accept the truth. In your world, your shitty treatment has made you Management Material. Well, guess what? Your experience isn't universal, your experience isn't the norm. How about you realize that truth.February 17, 2017 at 10:04 am #1480108
You should transition into Politics. Especially the current Administration as you dodge questions better than Kellyanne Conway.February 17, 2017 at 10:08 am #1480111February 17, 2017 at 10:10 am #1480114
“I'm just here for the comments”February 17, 2017 at 10:20 am #1480131
Read up a bit on psychological conditioning. It may help you better understand that managing people and developing their skills is a lot more scientific than you might think. I acknowledge not all firms give their employees specialized training, but the bottom line of this thread is that poor performance reviews can be used as a tool to help build a more capable leader.
If one person has an average work ethic and average marketability vs a person who has a strong work ethic and is highly marketable, it is very much possible that the person with the stronger work ethic will receive a poorer performance review in order to further develop their skills as a leader vs the average person who is basically being coddled along as a backup.February 17, 2017 at 10:32 am #1480140
it is very much possible that the person with the stronger work ethic will receive a poorer performance review in order to further develop their skills as a leader vs the average person who is basically being coddled along as a backup.
LMAO.I am at a loss for words.
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