How to use T- Accounts to solve this FAR 2 Problem- Uncollectible

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  • #847131
    IwanttobeaCPA1
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    I don’t know exactly what to do with the uncollectible account when doing this problem. Can someone show how they would solve it using a T- Account. I’ve used a T- Account to solve another problem similar to this and it was easier to understand than the base approach.
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    Marr Corp. reported rental revenue of $2,210,000 in its cash basis federal income tax return for the year ended November 30, 2006. Additional information is as follows:

    Rents receivable – November 30, 2006 $1,060,000

    Rents receivable – November 30, 2005 $800,000

    Uncollectible rents written off during the fiscal year $30,000

    Under the accrual basis, Marr should report rental revenue of:
    a. $2,440,000
    b. $2,500,000
    c. $1,980,000
    d. $1,920,000

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  • #847164
    Substantive Testing
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    I loved to use T-accounts for allowance for uncollectables, but I believe this is an cash to accrual type of problem, and T-accounts are not as helpful. For this problem, you really have to get to know the equation from cash to accrual. I believe for this case the equation would be CASH REVENUE + END RECEIVABLE – BEG RECEIVABLE – UNCOLLECTABLE = ACCRUAL. Leading to 2,440,000 as the answer?

    AUD - 75
    BEC - 75
    FAR - 81
    REG - 78
     

    CPA ex-auditor

     

    #847203
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Is this what you're looking for?

    View post on imgur.com

    I'm not a big T-accounts user, but perhaps this, and finding what goes in the “?????” would help you think through the question?

    #847206
    IwanttobeaCPA1
    Participant

    @Substantial Assurance. The thing is they add in the uncollectible which doesn't make sense to me

    That's actually what I got at first too but the correct answer is B 2,500,000, they used BASE and solved for the Accrual

    Beg 800,000

    Accrual (Don't know yet) X

    Sub (cash receipts/write offs) (-2,210,000- 30,000)

    End 1,060,000

    1,060,000 End Rec+ 2,210,000 Cash Receipt + 30,000 Write off- 800,000 Beg Rec= 2,500,000
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    #847212
    IwanttobeaCPA1
    Participant

    @Lillia I think that may be it. I'll try to digest this information.

    I've been reading all over the forum and everyone has told me T- Accounts and Journal Entries are the key so I've been trying to use it whenever I can.

    Would you use the BASE formula to solve this?

    #847214
    IwanttobeaCPA1
    Participant

    I'd like to understand it more intuitively on how to solve this, i.e. the logic

    the way I've been solving it is by doing the following

    – Yr 2 Rent Receivable- Yr 1 Rent Recievable= Change in Rent Recievable that should be recognized for Year 2

    – **Rent Revenue for Cash Collected for Yr 2 ($2,210,000)+ uncollectiable (30,000)= Cash actually collected in Year 2**

    – Cash actually collected in Rent Revenue for Year 2 + Change in Rent Recievable= Answer

    I still don't get this part, because I fudged this question at first by subtracting the change in rent recievable first, instead of adding it to cash collected.

    **Why is the uncollected added back in?**

    #847223
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I wasn't familiar with the BASE formula by name, but Googled it, and I guess I sorta would use it, kinda. 😐 I'm not big on special terms and mnemonics and stuff like that, and so I selected review materials (Wiley) that also weren't big on them. So, I didn't learn anything as the “base” formula. But, the way I'd look at it is “What's the change in receivable?” (End – Beginning) “Does that change mean cash was more or less than accrual?” (Cash was less, because receivable went up, so more revenue was accrued them received)

    So far: $260,000

    Then one by one with any other adjustments:
    “What rent was collected?” (The change in receivable is added to this, since the receivable increased; if the receivable had decreased, it would be subtracted)

    Now: $2,210,000 + 260,000 = $2,470,000

    “What effect would writing off $30k have on cash basis revenue?” (None) “If this write-off was removed already from the ending receivable, then what adjustment needs to be made to revenue to make the total be right?” (Add it)
    So: $2,470,000 + 30,000 = $2,500,000

    Reason for adding it is because you're figuring what amount of revenue is needed to get the right ending receivable. It's a loss of income, but revenue isn't affected by it. You're saying “How many $1 widgets do I need to have sold to have people still owe me for 1,060,000 of them?”, not “How much money did I make?” So, it's weird to add bad debts to revenue, but it's because you're backing into it to find a revenue number. It's similar to saying “After my payday and after paying my car payment for $250, I have $500 left in the bank, how much was my paycheck?” Well, the car payment is an expense, but you have to add it to the $500 to find out how much the paycheck was, and get $750. But if your started with $50 in your bank account, then got paid and spent $250 and had $500 left, then your paycheck was just $700. Etc etc.

    Now truthfully, the write-off I'd have to figure both ways and see which way came out right lol. So, I'd try $2,440,000 & $2,500,000, and then see if I could calculate the ending receivable:

    800k – 30k + 2,440k – 2,210k = 1,000k –> Nope, doesn't equal the right ending
    800k – 30k + 2,500k – 2,210k = 1,060k –> Yep, that gets me what I need

    Sure, it'd be better if I knew right up which way to do the plus or minus, but at least I know a way around it.

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    P. S.

    – **Rent Revenue for Cash Collected for Yr 2 ($2,210,000)+ uncollectiable (30,000)= Cash actually collected in Year 2**

    That's not actual cash collected. Just the $2210k is actual cash collected; the bad debt is removed from receivable and there's no reference to it ever being collected. Perhaps that's where your confusion is, if you thought it was collected?

    #847314
    vodrldnr
    Participant

    Answer is b

    Think of cash basis revenue as the credit portion of A/R for the year.

    BB 800K + ( ? ) -2210K-30K = 1060 K

    ? =2250 K

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    #847797
    IwanttobeaCPA1
    Participant

    Thanks for the responses everyone.

    @LIlla, what you said about adding back in the uncollectible made this problem easier to understand! thank you so much

    #1583681
    zbzc
    Participant

    my understanding is noncollectable does not affect revenue, therefore need to add back to calculate the revenue.

    #1583683
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Two ways to solve this kind of problem.

    1. T-account
    A/R
    11/30/05 bal. 800,000
    new revenue X 2,210,000 cash collection
    30,000 write-off
    11/30/06 bal. 1,060,000

    calculation X = 2,500,000

    2. understand the accounting equation A = L + E
    the change for both side should also equal.
    ∆ A = ∆ L + ∆ E
    in this question, no liability changed, so ∆ L = 0. no other equity, expenses changed.
    ∆ cash + ∆ accounts receivable – ∆ allowance for bad debt (contra account, so subtracted) = ∆ revenue
    2,210,000 + (1,060,000 – 800,000) – (-30,000) = new revenue in this year
    here, the change in allowance for bad debt is minus 30,000, because it's write-off that reduces the normal balance of allowance account.

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