Laid off 1 week ago….return to retake classes?!

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    Tono23
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    Hello All: As some of you are aware, I was laid off a week ago from a mid-tier firm as an audit associate. I, Jimmy, am still bitter about the outcome and public accounting has left a bitter, nasty, taste in my mouth!

    Furthermore, some of you know how immensely I have struggled with the CPA for years! That said, would anyone opine that I should enroll in Intermediate I & II, Auditing principles I & II and possibly Tax course at a community college or University? I searched for summer courses and found Intermediate I and II being offered; an 8 week course for both classes.

    Tuition @ CC (out-of-district) = $1,500.00 for one class. Out-of-district because my local CC does not offer advanced ACCT classes. Additionally, this particular CC is a 40minute drive with tolls.

    Local University tuition = $1,205.00 for one 3 credit hour class. Public institution and about a 15-minute drive.

    Lastly, the Becker package will expire in 2 weeks. I have no exams scheduled due to busy season busting my behind.

    Kind Regards,

    Jimmy

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  • #1536927
    MasterOfTaxation
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    Jimmy, I am new to this site so I am not familiar with your background. I'm assuming from your post that you've failed the CPA exam multiple times? I have some suggestions:

    1) What do you hope to gain from taking those classes? Did you not already take them to qualify for the CPA exam?

    2) The community college versus university depends almost solely on the quality of either where you are. In my town, the state university has a very well respected accounting program that pretty much keeps the university alive. However, the community college is a joke. Based on the colleges in your area, it could be a complete waste of your time and money.

    3) It sounds like you are working full-time at a public accounting firm? If that is the case, the problem is likely that you do not have the capacity, willpower, or adequate time to properly prepare for the CPA exam and pass. Please don't take that personally – I know for certain I could never work full-time anywhere and pass the CPA exam, much less work for an accounting firm. So many people jump right into a full-time job because they hear this person did it in six months or that person did it in a year. The simple truth is that it's a very difficult exam. Some people, like myself, aren't superhuman and can only do so much.

    I have a female friend who is married, works full-time, has two kids, and is studying and passing the CPA exam. I'm sure you have examples of others you know like this. But, there is wisdom in knowing what you are, and sometimes I think more importantly, what you are not. It's just quite possible you are trying to do something you are simply incapable of and you're none the lesser as a result. There are a ton of people who start out in public in a similar position. Some just give up and never try again.

    If you have been trying for years and cannot pass, my first advice is do not give up. It is worth it in the long run. My second piece of advice is to seriously consider taking off time from your job if financially possible to devote 4-6 months to studying full-time so you can pass the exam. If you have money saved or still live at home, I strongly recommend you do this. If you have public experience and finally pass the exam, another firm will pick you up. This is especially true if you tell them you sacrificed income to commit yourself to passing.

    That's my advice. Again, I don't know your personal story but your CPA experience is not uncommon. I've heard the same frustration from tons of people who just get in over their heads thinking they should be able to do the practically impossible because someone else did it. Don't beat yourself up. There's no way I could succeed in your predicament either. (Again this is assuming you are working full-time at a public accounting firm.) Good luck!

    #1536930
    martimann
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    What's your background? Did you major in business? Or how long ago did you get your accounting degree?

    You should stick to your preparation courses they'll review only what you need to know. There's people with both graduate And undergraduate degrees and they still struggle to pass.

    But if you don't have an accounting background then perhaps you might try one of those classes and see how it works for you. I just think that it will take a while to get all those classes under your belt, I would put all that time in Becker and wiley instead. That way you don't have to wait an entire semester to complete your courses and you can speed it up at your own pace.

    AUD - 76
    BEC - 80
    FAR - 73
    REG - 82
    Be all in or get out, there is no half way.
    #1536936
    Nutcracker2016
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    I completely vouch @masteroftaxation statements. I am one of those people who can never work full time and think of passing CPA exams. I downright respect people who do so. I left a very good paying job to pass CPA exams. I spoke to 10-12 people who completed CPA and decided it is worth in the long run. Off course I tried to do with the job for the first two month but could not even complete three chapters in FAR with my family and health commitments. For your situation, please don’t think what happened. I think time has come for you to PASS the CPA exams.
    You have enough experience in public accounting I guess. For you, since your basic is very strong, I will not recommend any community college course. They will just help you with overview of the exams which you already have. Invest in a good review course instead. Roger excels in explaining concepts. Personally, I passed all three sections so far, only with Roger’s lectures. Buy multiple test bank like Wiley and Ninja. For $47 dollars you cant skip Ninja MCQ. Very useful so far to me.
    Try to pass FAR first which will provide a good base for other subjects. Like you can do Audit only with the completed financial statements. For taxes, you need to start with Financial statements only. For ARR, IRR, Budgets, Financial statements is the base. I am sure if you work full time you will pass CPA exams in another six months for sure. You got this. All the very best.

    Trust in yourself. It is the key to passing any exam.

    Passed: FAR -1st attempt

    AUD-2nd attempt

    REG-1st attempt

    BEC- 3rd attempt

    DONE

    #1536955
    Tono23
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    I value and thank each of your inputs. Ok, to give you all synopsis of myself: I graduated in 2010 with a B.S. in Accounting with 150 credit hours from a well-respected business school in the Midwest. I am 33 y/o, unemployed (was permanently laid off 1 week ago), no children and live alone. I was a senior accountant in higher education for 4 years and most recently an auditor (1.5 years). I have worked and studied for the exam since 2010 without a single pass and never took time off from studying!

    The closest I ever came to passing was Audit with a 69. Perhaps you're correct @ masteroftaxation…..those two undergrad programs could be a waste of monies and time.

    Thank you all….continue to opine!

    #1536958
    MasterOfTaxation
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    Perfect – thanks for clarifying. Being laid off sucks. Attempting to succeed once and failing sucks. Attempting to succeed for seven years and failing is insanity. There's something wrong in your approach. More questions:

    1) Did you make decent grades in school?

    2) How do you study best? In groups, alone, long stretches, short bursts? Do you need perfect silence with no interruptions? Do you need music or noise to distract you?

    3) Did you follow the review course exactly as instructed? You mentioned Becker – how were your scores on the MCQ and the other practice sections? Did you create a study schedule with the Becker software based on your actual times available for study?

    4) Are you unrealistic and deceive yourself in your self-assessment of your abilities, time available, and execution of your plan to succeed? For example, do you say that you're going to study twenty hours per week but then never actually study consistently for that amount?

    5) Did you fail your first section and immediately become discouraged? Are you now convinced in your heart of hearts that you honestly cannot pass? Or are you discouraged by the actual time and effort it will take to pass so you've convinced yourself you cannot pass?

    Honesty with yourself is essential here. If you can graduate with a degree in Accounting from a solid university, you can likely pass the CPA exam. There is great strength in acknowledging weakness – take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror and be honest about all this. (Whether you want to share it on here on not.) There is something in the way – fear is the usual culprit. It weighs us all down. You can do this!

    #1536984
    Missy
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    I don't particularly think college courses are a big benefit. Each course covers a small handful of topics in great depth. The CPA exam on the other hand is a mile wide and an inch deep as you likely already realize

    Old timer,  A71'er since 2010.

    Finance manager/HR manager

     

     

    Licensed Massachusetts Non Reporting CPA since 2012
    Finance/Admin/HR Manager

    #1537005
    mtaylo24
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    No reason to go back to school if you qualify to sit. If this is still what you want to do, you can get everything you need from the review programs. Sucks to hear that you were laid off…hearing all of these post-busy season lay off stories makes me really appreciate being on the industry side.

    CPA (2017)

    REG:  75

    BEC:  76

    FAR:  77

    AUD: 78

     

    CMA (2019)

    P1: 380

    P2: 360

    AUD - 1st - 60 (12/12), 61 (2/13), 61 (8/13), 78! (11/15)
    REG - 55 (2/16) 69 (5/16) Retake(8/16)
    BEC - 71(5/16) Retake (9/16)
    FAR - (8/16)

    #1537146
    Namstut
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    It sucks that you lost your job but I would agree with other comments. You will benefit the most from a CPA prep course. What materials did you use? How long did you take to prepare for each exam? There are many candidates without any accounting experience or education in another field that decide to sit for a CPA. I got my BAchelos in 2002 and Masters in 2008 and honestly, when I started studying for a CPA I felt like I was starting from scratch. Don't be waste your time, you have enough credits to sit so just invest in the review material. I used Becker and I felt that it prepared me well for each exam.

    When the going gets tough, the tough get going.

    All Done!!!

    AUD 7/6/16 Passed
    BEC 9/3/16
    FAR TBD
    REG TBD

    #1540212
    gabriellalucas
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    I was also laid off last year and passed my exams in that time. I suggest just sticking to your review materials, as i think college classes will give you way too much information than what you need for the exam.

    I just studied full time (40+ hours a week) to finish out the exams. I had Yaeger and supplemented it with the ten point combo. To be honest, I did not really touch my Yaeger materials too much.

    AUD:92
    REG:Nov 2015
    FAR:Feb 2016
    BEC:TBD

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