really discouraged, need advice

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  • #1374795
    livealittle
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    so I failed FAR again.

    using Becker, started sitting for FAR a year ago

    11/30/15 – 62 – had not finished all of the Becker lectures or homework, did not expect to pass and thought I made about a 60 when I walked out of the exam. Candidate Performance Report (CPR) showed Stronger in Gov’t and Weaker in everything else

    01/14/16 – 62 – had finished Becker lectures and homework, thought I scored 77-79 range, BUT when I went to get my “certificate of attendance” it said generating and then asked me to save an Excel file. Prometric people called their IT who said they could see a CPA exam saved at 3:04 pm, but I didn’t finish until 3:47 pm. fought with Prometric and AICPA for 2 weeks and they said they “found your exam, all 4 testlets were opened and it would be graded with normal scoring. the CPR said Weaker in everything

    05/21/16 – 72 – had re-watched all Becker lectures and reworked all homework. CPR said comparable in Specific Transactions and Sims. Weaker in everything else.

    09/08/16 – 70 – had reworked all homework and a bunch more progress tests. got some old flashcards from a colleague for FAR 1,4 and 5 and also studied them about a hundred times. Bought Ninja Notes and read them 4 separate times in the 2 weeks before the test. CPR said Comparable in Specific Transactions. Stronger in NFP and Weaker in everything else.

    11/28/16 – 73 – had reworked most of the homework questions, written my own flash cards, re-wrote the Ninja Notes 2 times. Read the Ninja Notes 5 more times. Haven’t gotten the CPR yet.

    I just don’t know what else to do. I’ve passed all the other sections and even BEC 2 times because it expired. Now, REG has expired and I will have to pass it again too.

    I’m really discouraged and down.

    I work at a CPA firm. I enjoy my job, but would like to be promoted. That isn’t possible without the CPA certificate.

    Am I really just not smart enough to do this? I felt really good about this test. There was only 1 question that I had no idea what they were even talking about. I plan to retake in January and have my Application ready to mail tomorrow. but what do I study differently? what am I doing wrong?

    BEC - 8/8/16
    REG - 66, 77
    AUD - 81
    FAR - 9/8/16

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  • #1374833
    tmura514
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    ohhhh! You are sooooooo close! I believe that you really can do this next time. (anybody who can pass the BEC, they can pass any subjects!) Have you ever tried to study FAR with Ninja Mcq and CPA excel test bank? I did all the questions until 100% of “you have answered correctly” phase and it worked. Yes yes yes! I saw a few questions that I had no idea (not only one, it was definitely more than one), but I tried not to worry about them during the exam because they could be the “pretest” ones. I used the Roger review and his cram course and it was very helpful. Good luck!

    AUD - 79
    BEC - 84
    FAR - 87
    REG - 75
    Miss my life with no study.
    #1374839
    CPA8675309
    Participant

    First of all, you've found success with BEC, REG, and AUD and you're really close to passing FAR, so I believe you're definitely smart enough.

    I'm just beginning my CPA journey, so I may not know what I'm talking about as far as my study tips go. Here it goes anyhow. When you're reading and writing your Ninja Notes, do you feel like you're getting a firm grasp of the material? Would you be able to explain what you just learned to someone?

    What I started late in the process with BEC and what I plan on doing with FAR (after my initial review of the material, that is), is to begin by answering MCQs with Ninja and get a baseline average going. Then begin by focusing on my weakest areas using the averages in the detailed progress report in Ninja to know where to start. In BEC, I would answer 20 questions in each subsection or two that I had a low average in. Progressively, I hope to better my scoring averages in these weak areas by continuously working problems and re-identifying new “weak” areas. My plan is to increase my scoring averages in all subsections to a respectable level this way. Like I said, I'm just beginning the process so this may not be entirely realistic, but I like that it's at least methodical rather than just hammering out endless questions. I will add that with BEC, I would take a break from this to answer questions from all subject areas just to keep everything fresh even the areas I felt strongest in. Hopefully, that makes some sense.

    Good luck!

    AUD - 77
    BEC - 85
    FAR - 84
    REG - 85
    I'm done!!
    #1374846
    Reverie
    Participant

    Gotta grind it out no matter how hard. I saw your sig. You're almost done. Just fight through it. Grind grind grind. MCQ MCQ MCQ. SIM SIM SIM. Get it over with.

    #1374852
    bigcore20
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    You're just memorizing questions and just blindly doing mcq from what i have gathered. I think your problem might be that you dont actually know the concepts that well. You will fail doing tons of progress tests, it doesnt help. Reading is 10x better, despite what people say. Pounding mcq is good to a certain point, but it does nothing if you havent solidified the concepts first.

    Forget the lectures, just read the book a bit on your own and solidify the concepts. At that point you should he able to nail any mcq given to you

    #1374867
    CPA50
    Participant

    You've got this! It's a tough exam, don't be too hard on yourself.
    What got me over the top finally was writing my own full set of notes.
    I was brutally honest with what I knew and what I was guessing. I wrote out stories about the boy named FAR and his little dog IFRS.
    Be sad, then mad, then get cracking again. And get the mindset that it's just a matter of when you pass, not if.
    DO THIS!

    AUD - 80
    BEC - 77
    FAR - 80
    REG - 80
    3 years

    + 16 tests

    + 2 expired sections

    = DONE FOREVER!

    AUD 88 (expired), 80 retake
    FAR 64,69,67,73,67,73,73,73, August 3
    REG 75 (expired) September 7
    BEC 72, 77

    The adventure continues...

    #1374869
    krstnam
    Participant

    You're so close. What I see is you're improving. From a 62 to 73, that's a great improvement. You're almost there just keep it up. You've passed three exams already so you're obviously pretty smart…

    Idk if this helps but for me with the MCQs I noticed, like others have said that I end up memorizing the question and not the concepts. The problem is I've gotta be really honest with myself, do I really understand the question or am I BSing my way through it. For FAR which I took and failed miserably, I know I was just memorizing them so I could make myself feel better by having more of the materials complete and having higher practice test scores. When I got to the exam day it felt like a complete train wreck. I knew I failed miserably after the 2nd testlet.

    When I began studying for REG I knew I needed to change my habits, I did and I was able to pass it on an 8 week study plan while working full time with an audit deadline at work and a week tropical vacation.

    Keep up with the good work. You're smart, you're improving and you've got this. 2017 is your year!!!

    I'm going to be the person who says "I finished even though..." not the person who says "I didn't finish because..."

    B - 77, 76

    A - 57, 64, 72, 76!

    R - 78, 72, 78!!! DONE

    F - 54, 73, 71, 64, 69, 76!

    #1374887
    hasy
    Participant

    If you passed REG, you can pass FAR.

    AUD - 83
    BEC - 80
    FAR - 83
    REG - 78
    BEC - 80 (Roger + NINJA MCQ + WTB)

    FAR - 72; 83 (Roger + NINJA MCQ)

    AUD - 83 (Roger + NINJA MCQ + WTB)

    REG - 52; 78 (Roger + NINJA MCQ)

    Ethics - 68, 96 (how I dislike you)
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    This forum is more addictive than drugs. Still returning after licensure.

    Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, ambition inspired, and success achieved - Helen Keller

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    BEC 80 (10/23/15)
    FAR 72 (4/2/15); 83 (7/11/16)
    REG 52 (4/28/15)
    AUD (9/9/16)

    Roger + NINJA MCQ + WTB

    #1374900
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    What seems to be your biggest challenge in getting a good score? For example…

    Are you running out of time?
    Are you not understanding the questions?
    Is there just too much content?
    Are you making too many careless mistakes?

    Once we figure out what the problem is, then maybe we can help you get past it.

    Either way, gl. You can do it.

    -J

    AUD: 91
    FAR: 90
    REG: 89
    BEC: 84

    #1375065
    Stilgoin
    Participant

    I have said this on other posts, but I did better after leaving Becker. I made 59 with Becker, 59 with Becker and NINJA MCQs, 70 with NINJA MCQs, Blitz, and Notes, and a 74 with NINJA MCQs, Notes, Book, and Plus. If I had to choose one NINJA product right now, it would be NINJA Plus. It is difficult to track my progress because I had a lot of family deaths in 2015, and I didn’t really get over grieving until lately, so I cannot say that Becker didn’t benefit me, but I can say I needed a different perspective.

    Don’t give up. You have learned more every time. Choose a tool that gives you a different perspective and study again. I am as close as I can be without being a CPA, and this process has been humbling and frustrating, but at the same time, I am grateful for the opportunity. There have been people on this forum who had worse life experiences than me, so I am glad to continue.

    This time- I am reading the Becker Far book and watching the NINJA Plus Vids first. Then I am doing NINJA MCQs and creating JEs for each question. If I feel like I have memorized them, I will get the Wiley TB for questions. I am adding Roger Cram the last two weeks before my exam January 18. Hopefully this will be enough. Good luck and don’t quit!!

    Stilgoin, CPA

    There are enough critics. Be an encourager

    B | 62, 78
    A | 73, 67, 79
    R | 82
    F | 59, 59, Waiting

    Ethics | 93

    "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts."
    ~Winston Churchill

    “In a world full of critics, be an encourager."

    #1375148
    hasy
    Participant

    Also, buy gleim testbank for FAR. If you can conquer that testbank, you most likely will conquer FAR. I've heard great things. Like how it's harder than NINJA.

    AUD - 83
    BEC - 80
    FAR - 83
    REG - 78
    BEC - 80 (Roger + NINJA MCQ + WTB)

    FAR - 72; 83 (Roger + NINJA MCQ)

    AUD - 83 (Roger + NINJA MCQ + WTB)

    REG - 52; 78 (Roger + NINJA MCQ)

    Ethics - 68, 96 (how I dislike you)
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    This forum is more addictive than drugs. Still returning after licensure.

    Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, ambition inspired, and success achieved - Helen Keller

    -

    BEC 80 (10/23/15)
    FAR 72 (4/2/15); 83 (7/11/16)
    REG 52 (4/28/15)
    AUD (9/9/16)

    Roger + NINJA MCQ + WTB

    #1375782
    livealittle
    Participant

    I read all the responses. to answer some questions:

    Are you running out of time? – only on the test that I got the 70 on. I got a DRS sim and I did all the others first, then had an HOUR left for that one. It wasn't that it was too hard, it was that the sheets of material were labeled Exhibit A, B, C, etc. so you couldn't tell what each was. Then when you clicked on it you couldn't see the entire sheet and had to scroll up and down and back and forth to read things.

    Are you not understanding the questions? I think I am understanding. Almost all the questions I am either absolutely sure of the answer or I'm pretty sure of the answer but 2 of them are super close. There's so many “fact nuggets” that I just KNOW – like IFRS underlying assumption is Going Concern only, US GAAP underlying assumptions are separate entity, going concern, monetary unit, periodicity, revenue recognition, etc. so when I get questions about that stuff I feel very confident of the answers.

    Is there just too much content? maybe. maybe I have concentrated on the broad overview of all of it and have missed some key details? not sure.

    Are you making too many careless mistakes? This may be what the problem is. When I was studying for BEC the first time. It was the first test I took. I noticed that typically on the calculations there were 5 steps. I would do the first 4 steps and that would be an answer choice, so I would pick that one. It was wrong and so then I changed the way I read the question. I would read the last sentence first which is generally the “What amount should ABC Company use for the whatever at whenever?” Then I would read the paragraph of info and start working the question. Maybe that is what I'm doing wrong on the actual test?

    You’re just memorizing questions and just blindly doing mcq from what i have gathered. I think your problem might be that you dont actually know the concepts that well. I don't think I'm memorizing the questions/answers. I think I do understand the concepts as I have to teach this stuff (obviously at a lower level) fairly regularly. I teach QuickBooks classes for A & A CPE at our firm and at the Chamber of Commerce and at the college on occasion. I'm a supervisor at work and have to explain and teach things to the less experienced staff all the time. Accruals, revenue recognition, progress billing, unearned revenue, contra-accounts, you name it. I don't do anything with IFRS or bonds in my job, but I do most of the rest of this. I'm thinking that if I'm stating something incorrectly or explaining something wrong, the partners (who often take my classes for the A&A CPE) will call me out on it.

    I remember seeing the same question over and over when studying for BEC and to keep from “just memorizing, answering, yay it's right, and moving on” I would rework the actual problem, then look at the other answer choices and be able to say “A isn't right because ___”, “B isn't right because ___”, “C is correct because ___”, “D isn't correct because ___”. I started doing that between two of the tests, maybe I'm not doing this enough?

    so recommendations are:

    buy new test bank – Gleim, CPAExcel and Ninja Plus are all recommended.

    write out the concepts

    make my own complete set of FAR notes

    with my answers above, does that change the recommendations any?

    BEC - 8/8/16
    REG - 66, 77
    AUD - 81
    FAR - 9/8/16

    #1375868
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Problem 1: You don't have a big problem with time and you're making a lot of careless mistakes.

    Solution 1: You may not know “how” to take the test. For me, the big issues with taking the test involved learning the most effective way to read a problem and identify its key points/issues while maintaining a steady pace.

    First off, make sure you learn the journal entries and any plugs until their recollection becomes automatic as soon as you hear a term. Doing so is a great starting point to also learn the keywords of a problem as well as the weird nuances related to that transaction, all while maintaining the “big picture” or “structure” of a topic. I could elaborate if you'd like, but ultimately, your end goal is to develop a separate “FLOWCHART” in your mind for each type of transaction. To give you an example of what I mean, my thought process during the test is as follows:

    If the MCQ is about “Consolidations”, my mind immediately thinks “CAR-IN-BIG, plug Goodwill”. Or if the question is about “Treasury Stock”, then my mind immediately recalls 2 sets of JE's because, uh-oh, there are two ways to deal with TS. Therefore, I go back to the question to figure out which if it's related to the Par Value Method or Cost Method and proceed from there. Kind of see where I'm going?

    The next thing you'll need to address is pacing. Unfortunately, the only way to learn this is by going through the MCQs. Learn how to read the problems. Of course you've heard to start with the last sentence first, but in my experience, starting with the last sentence was confusing because too often the last sentence doesn't give me enough info to know what “flowchart” (see above) to use. Instead, start with the first sentence (at least a portion of it) to identify the topic, then go to the last sentence to identify the problem, then reread everything again to identify the details. Finally, take your time reading each problem. Read each word, and again…DON'T RUSH through the problems. IMO, the questions in the actual tests were presented much less confusingly than the MCQs. Reading comprehension seemed like a problem for me while studying, but it wasn't an issue at all during the actual test.

    (I must have asked myself a million times if I was too dumb to take the test from just a reading-comprehension level. I mean come on! I thought I had that stuff down. Didn't I always test in the collegiate level when taking those elementary-school standardized tests? What did I read bout the Apache Indian code talkers then in 3rd grade for?). Anyways, I ramble. Moving on…

    Problem 2: Too much content.

    Solution 2: If you're just using Becker MCQ's, then BIG MISTAKE. IMO, Becker MCQ's are the worst MCQ offering compared to my experience with Roger and the things I've heard from coworkers about Ninja, Gleim and Yaeger. Becker's MCQ topics are too blocky (i.e. 10 questions on this topic, then 10 questions on that topic, etc.) since they don't have an option to randomize the questions or combine the different sections into a mixed test (outside of the practice test function, which doesn't show you the correct answer after each question). Also, Becker MCQs seem to focus on their highlighted items ONLY, and not all the weird nuances that they didn't highlight. What Becker was great at was getting me through the content in a timely manner (Roger's jokes would trigger my ADD and make me lose concentration). Once I blazed through the content and MCQs on Becker, I turned around and reviewed with Roger MCQs. This helped by not only helping my mind recall information from a wide range of topics at once (not just the concentrated blocks that Becker gave me), but also helped me identify the gaps in my studies that I didn't know were there since each course emphasizes each topic differently (i.e. what would be 2-3 sections in Roger would be a 30-second paragraph in Becker).

    Also, don't give yourself too much time to study for the test. Your optimal study time depends on your short-term and medium-term recollection capabilities (I work with GASB, you don't deal with complex entries, so who cares about long term?). But figure out what your mind can do, including how long it can concentrate for, and how long you can remember things. From there, figure out the most efficient way of going about the test. I did mine in 4.5 weeks. 3.5 to go through the content, 1 week to review. Don't constrain yourself or stress yourself out with the “recommended study plans” or what everyone else here says to do, you – do – you.

    To give you some final tips on the test, do yourself a favor and replicate the testing experience. Get some crappy noise isolating headphones and find a quite place kept at a cool 73 degrees F (lol, jk). But also, download Moffsoft Freecalc, which is almost identical to the calculator in the test program, and buy yourself a A4 sized whiteboard notebook to practice your MCQs on. Reduce the variables!

    Finally, to give you an analogy for the testing experience:
    Think of the FAR content as a flowing substance (e.g. water) that you're trying to fill your mind with. But your mind is a crappy bucket with a bunch of holes with it – each hole having a specific method of plugging up. Becker was great and very efficient at patching up the big holes, but since they focus on their highlighted questions and don't mix things up, they don't really address the small holes. Fill those small holes in with another course's MCQ's (and any related review content or even Google) once you've addressed the big ones. Those patches won't hold forever, so take your test when you have the most “water” in your brain.

    You got this, my friend. GL!

    -J

    #1375902
    livealittle
    Participant

    @carrot

    thank you for the detailed and thoughtful answer.

    BEC - 8/8/16
    REG - 66, 77
    AUD - 81
    FAR - 9/8/16

    #1376405
    Small4
    Participant

    I’ve been on your boat not passing many times. My two cents is perhaps ease up on the ‘quantity’ of studying and perhaps focus on the real trouble spots. What I noticed is I did A TON of mcqs (2000+)…but I ended up having 68,73..etc…so what I thought worked for me (could very well work for you too), is repeat MCQ by topic that is troubling..I saw somewhere here in the post that someone Iisted all topics (WTB has them if you have that test back) and hammered 10-20 block questions by topic. If you aren’t getting 75% off the bat, it suggests you are weak on that. So do 20 block qs per topic until you reach that “comfort zone” that you can honestly say “ok I know most of this topic now”.

    Also what I found helpful is for those trouble questions…quality of studying is key rather than hammering every single available question. The CPA can only throw you so much variety of q per topic, and you would think a subset of 30-40 questions on that trouble topic is enough to really master it. Meaning focus on 30-40 questions, review them, how it asks the questions, how to break down what they are asking. (i.e. leases can give out sooo much junk detail/confusing set of facts…learn how to break down the question..). Soon enough you will see a pattern on these questions on “HOW” to solve them. NINJA MCQ is a great tool I think since it is slow in terms of going question by question since you have to submit. I used to hate that feature…but I realize take advantage of that slowness…by PRINTING any trouble questions…read it at a different time, and always collect those topics and revisit until you are comfy with how it is being asked and how to answer without wasting a lot of time.

    My improvement went like this: my score ent from 56 to 68 (usually because I took the exam as a joke and finally studied hard but I didn’t study JE). Took score from 68 to 73 (studied more JE, but lacked application. Meaning I memorized SIM JE but when I see a question that is entirely different than what I was familiar with, I panicked). And finally 73 to 82 (studied JE front and back, watched those trouble lectures, didn’t forget about easy concept points, easy meaning not calculations, not because it was easy).

    Lastly, it is easy to be discouraged. Just know you are making a major investment in your life and all your hard work will taste so much sweeter WHEN you pass. Its ok to feel negative trust me, I went at this for 10 yrs…10 yrs!! On and off….and I just know that since you have the will to keep retaking, that is a very admirable trait in itself. Good luck and I hope above kinda sorta help.

    AUD - 77
    BEC - 75
    FAR - 82
    REG - 77
    -Becker (do all mcq, period),
    -Buy NINJA mcq (68% trend), and
    -PRINT trouble topics.

    -Also Used WTB mcq (68% trend).
    -Do 40-50 SIMs and read answers/try to learn from solutions like its a book example.
    -Lastly, when having trouble with same topic, go big picture and watch trouble lecture

    BEC - 68,70,72,75 5/15
    AUD - 78(expired), 77 8/15
    REG - 29,58,65,77 1/16
    FAR - 56,68,73 - retake October hopefully (last shot)

    Been doing this since 2007 on and off...

    #1376417
    win2bet
    Participant

    you have to stay focused and keep trying, got this far already

    ,

    REG 68,87
    BEC 85
    FAR 75
    AUD 64,64, 86!

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