Substantive Testings and Analytical Procedures…

  • Creator
    Topic
  • #162333
    Zaiitz3
    Participant

    Can someone explain these two in plain english? What are they, and when do you do substantive testing and when do you do analytical procedures? HELP!

    *New York*
    AUD 74, 88! 04/02/12
    BEC 75! 08/30/12
    FAR 68, 73, 83! 10/27/12
    REG 80! 11/24/12

    DONE!!!

    "Be miserable. Or motivate yourself. Whatever has to be done, it's always your choice.” - Wayne Dyer

Viewing 15 replies - 1 through 15 (of 21 total)
  • Author
    Replies
  • #589677
    Yvonne570
    Member

    Analytical procedures are required for the planning phase and the final review of the audit. These procedures are more broad and really uses the financial ratios to look for irregularities in the FS.

    Substantive testing is the detail testing involved during the work of the audit – which also involves sampling to gather evidence for the auditor's opinion – based upon the assertions. Analytical procedures can also compliment this phase; however, it's not required.

    AUD - Passed:)
    FAR - Passed:)
    REG - Retake TBD
    BEC - Missed by 3 points Retake TBD

    #589678
    Zaiitz3
    Participant

    So what's done in a review is analytical procedures and, for example, sending a sample of customers confirmations are substantive testing?

    Thank you, by the way!

    *New York*
    AUD 74, 88! 04/02/12
    BEC 75! 08/30/12
    FAR 68, 73, 83! 10/27/12
    REG 80! 11/24/12

    DONE!!!

    "Be miserable. Or motivate yourself. Whatever has to be done, it's always your choice.” - Wayne Dyer

    #589679
    Yvonne570
    Member

    Confirmations are part of the substantive testing process. You can also perform analytical procedures to help with various phases of the audit. It's like financial ratio, budget to actual comparisons, reviewing minutes, etc.

    AUD - Passed:)
    FAR - Passed:)
    REG - Retake TBD
    BEC - Missed by 3 points Retake TBD

    #589680
    fg
    Participant

    Substantive procedure:

    A: Test of Detail (Five Carrot Cars)

    B: Analytical procedures (Not reqired but can do)

    #589681
    Yvonne570
    Member

    Fg, Analytical procedures are required during the planning and final review phases now.

    AUD - Passed:)
    FAR - Passed:)
    REG - Retake TBD
    BEC - Missed by 3 points Retake TBD

    #589682
    Zaiitz3
    Participant

    Haha, you got this down to an art. Bet you did really well on your exam 🙂 Thank you again Yvonne570 and fg

    *New York*
    AUD 74, 88! 04/02/12
    BEC 75! 08/30/12
    FAR 68, 73, 83! 10/27/12
    REG 80! 11/24/12

    DONE!!!

    "Be miserable. Or motivate yourself. Whatever has to be done, it's always your choice.” - Wayne Dyer

    #589683
    mla1169
    Participant

    I just think of the roots of the words. Substantive testing is to substantiate a management assertion. Lots of ways to do this, in some cases an analytical procedure can be a substantive test (like for estimates, we could use an analyis to see if the estimate is reasonable.) Can substantiate with confirmations, or other tests of details. So I would ask myself “will this test really back up an assertion?” if yes, the test is substantive.

    Analytical is just analysis, a comparison. Can even be between financial and non financial information (like comparing revenue $ to the square footage of the plant), or financial and financial information (this years revenue to last years revenue). You HAVE to do analytical procedures during planning, and you CAN do. analytical procedures during the audit, and its RECOMMENDED to do analytical procedures during the final wrap up stage.

    FAR- 77
    AUD -49, 71, 84
    REG -56,75!
    BEC -75

    Massachusetts CPA (non reporting) since 3/12.

    #589684
    jeff
    Keymaster

    Great explanations, btw.

    AUD - 79
    BEC - 80
    FAR - 76
    REG - 92
    Jeff Elliott, CPA (KS)
    NINJA CPA | NINJA CMA | NINJA CPE | Another71
    #589685
    hopefulcpa28
    Member

    Looks like others have responded to your questions….but thought I shed some light on Analytical procedures done during three phases.

    Like everyone mentioned, it's only required for planning and final review stage. However it can be also used as substantive procedures.

    Analytical procedures:

    Planning stage: To assist in planning the nature, timing and extent of other auditing procedures.It basically enhances auditor's understanding of the company. Generally use data aggregated at a high level.

    Used as Substantive procedure: Not required, BUT can be used to obtain evidence about particular assertions related to account balances or classes of transactions. You can decide whether to use it or not based on: Nature of assertions, are they predictable, reliable, precision of exceptions, etc? For example, if the account isn't predictable, then there's not really a point in doing analytical procedures on those accounts.

    Overall review: To assist in assessing the conclusions reached and in the evaluations of the overall f/s presentations. Are the evidence adequate? Is there an unusual or unexpected balances or relationships that weren't previously identified.

    As far as subsantive procedures go:

    There's two parts to it: Test of Details and analytical procedures.

    Test of details are always required, no matter what…but analytical procedures aren't.

    Test of Details includes things like: Footing, Inquiry, inspection, vouching, examination, tracing, confirmation, etc…

    Analytical procedures: Using ratios.

    Hope that helps. It really helped me to separate out both and to understand when/where they were used. It really comes in handy when answering questions, you can automatically eliminate couple choices based on key words used.

    #589686
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I dont know why these are so hard to understand!! I am going over and over these two terms, but it will just not click! Reading the above posts helped a little. Thanks guys!

    #589687
    SoCalCPA
    Member

    Some of these explanations are amazing haha, props to those explained in great detail!

    B - (4/2012)
    A - (5/2012)
    R - (1/2012) Done!
    F - (10/2011) Done!

    #589688
    Zaiitz3
    Participant

    Thank you all so much for these AMAZING explanations, especially @hopefulcpa28. I've also been meaning to ask what exactly tests of detail were, but you answered that already! Thank you all for your help!

    @chakdey, I don't know why these didn't click before either. Hopefully after these great descriptions, we'll be pro's 🙂

    *New York*
    AUD 74, 88! 04/02/12
    BEC 75! 08/30/12
    FAR 68, 73, 83! 10/27/12
    REG 80! 11/24/12

    DONE!!!

    "Be miserable. Or motivate yourself. Whatever has to be done, it's always your choice.” - Wayne Dyer

    #589689
    MdeezCPA
    Member

    Great explanations everyone, it really helped to sum it all up in final review before my AUD exam. thanks a mill!

    REG - 74, 77-(Expired), Retake Pending
    FIN - 71, 74, 77
    BEC - 73, 75-(Expired), 79
    AUD - 62, 68, At it again!

    Don't Give Up!

    #1402742
    jslo123
    Participant

    GREAT GREAT THREAD.

    I have faith in humanity.

    Can anyone give me examples of

    TEST OF CONTROLS?

    Is it just seeing if the controls are operating effectively?

    THANKS

    AUD - 89
    BEC - 92
    FAR - 90
    REG - 79
    LETZ GET IT
    #1402796
    mitchvols
    Participant

    Not an example, but to test controls, the auditor uses reperformance, inquiry, inspection, and observation to assure that the authorization, recording, and custody functions are separated while taking into account the cost/benefit of that control.

    AUD - 90
    BEC - 79
    FAR - 86
    REG - 81
    Licensed CPA - Tennessee

    Finished Exams in December 2016

    REG - 81

    AUD - 74, 72, 90

    BEC - 79

    FAR - 86

Viewing 15 replies - 1 through 15 (of 21 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.