Does anyone work in IT audit or risk advisory?

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  • #191352
    kettlecorn
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    I’m looking into these positions.

    Apparently the upside is better hours than financial audit but you get pigeonholed into it. But I can’t imagine it’s any worse than being “pigeonholed” in tax. IT audit means you can still do internal audit in industry, government, university, or continue to do IT related accounting work right?

    If any of you work in IT audit, what firm and how many hours do you average? I’m reading it’s around 55 hours? Does that include driving? I know a lot of IT audit and control work involve driving to client sites (well audit in general) but unlike financial audit where you may be at a client site for a long time (possible to drive 2 hours every day for months), you would be at client sites for a few days on average.

    On average, how much mentally draining work is there in IT audit? Is it like programming where you need to think and use brain power a lot, or is a lot of the work busy work, talking, writing reports, etc.?

    Any good exit opportunities when you jump to industry? How many years should you work in the field as an IT auditor to be desirable when you make the jump?

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    TNCPA16
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    I work in IT audit in industry, but work very closely with our external (EY) team. Here are my thoughts:

    “Apparently the upside is better hours than financial audit”

    If you work in public accounting, you will be working a lot of hours regardless of which practice you are in. I actually work more hours than the financial auditors at my company, but still that's considerably less than the EY auditors.

    “IT audit means you can still do internal audit in industry, government, university, or continue to do IT related accounting work right?”

    Absolutely. There are plenty of opportunities out there, so I wouldn’t worry too much about being pigeonholed.

    “I'm reading it's around 55 hours? Does that include driving.”

    I think EY’s ITRA busy season was 50 hours this year (someone please correct me if I’m wrong). Unless you are on calls while you are driving, then no, that does not count.

    “I know a lot of IT audit and control work involve driving to client sites”

    Any audit position will require being at client sites. IT auditors usually have more clients than financial auditors (I think the IT auditors I work with have in the 5-7 range; the financial team each has 2), so they definitely spend more time traveling to different clients. At my company, the IT auditors spend maybe a day every week or so onsite; whereas the financial team is here pretty much every single day. Most of their clients are within the same area, so it’s really not too bad for them…usually when they travel out of town, it’s for training. How much time you spend onsite depends on several factors: how big is the audit, are there complications, how good is your audit team, is there a good internal audit team you can rely on, etc.

    “how much mentally draining work is there in IT audit?”

    Honestly, auditing isn’t terribly difficult to do. If everyone did everything perfectly, auditing would be the easiest job on earth. Having been a financial auditor before moving into IT audit, I wouldn’t say one is necessarily more mentally draining than the other. Some days your brain will hurt from trying to figure out a complex mess and some days you will be doing the most mind-numbingly boring work you can think of. In my job, the IT audit work itself is probably the easiest thing I do. The hardest part was the first initial audit and figuring out how to test controls and how all of the systems fit together. Once that was figured out, it’s been pretty easy. Since I do internal audit, the more difficult part of my job is figuring out some of the complex non-audit projects that get thrown my way.

    “Any good exit opportunities when you jump to industry? How many years should you work in the field as an IT auditor to be desirable when you make the jump?”

    I get calls all the time from recruiters looking to fill IT audit positions in industry. If you didn’t want to stay in internal audit, there are definitely other positions more IT related (security, privacy, etc.) Of course I’m biased, but I think IT auditing is a great field to get into. Stay until you make Senior before jumping ship. At the very least, get one busy season under your belt before leaving.

    #649308
    kettlecorn
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    Man that helps a lot. Thank you! Sounds like it's a great gig for me. I'm going to pursue it!

    #649309
    Anonymous
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    I studied Accounting back in college and now I work in Risk Advisory at the firm that was mentioned above. Hope this answer some of your questions!

    IT audit means you can still do internal audit in industry, government, university, or continue to do IT related accounting work right?

    Yes. In this program that I am working right now, there are both external and internal audit projects, where external is like a regular audit and internal audit is going into the client to assist with their internal audit.

    If any of you work in IT audit, what firm and how many hours do you average? I'm reading it's around 55 hours? Does that include driving? I know a lot of IT audit and control work involve driving to client sites (well audit in general) but unlike financial audit where you may be at a client site for a long time (possible to drive 2 hours every day for months), you would be at client sites for a few days on average.

    -During busy season, it is around 55 hours. I will go in before 8:45 and leave the office around 8:30. There are good and bad days, just like regular audit. These hours are your “working hours”, meaning you are doing actual work (e.g. completing workpapers, attending client meetings). I am always (at least 4 days a week) at the client site since it's a big client and I can get a hold of my contacts if I am at the same building as them. And the audit team is always there as well. I also know there are teams that go to their client sites once/twice a week, so that really depends on the client

    On average, how much mentally draining work is there in IT audit? Is it like programming where you need to think and use brain power a lot, or is a lot of the work busy work, talking, writing reports, etc.?

    -I think it's somewhat in between. The work can always be done by “following last year's stuff”, but when there are changes to applications/process, a revised testing strategy has to be developed and communicated to see if this strategy is actually effective for the applications/process. As you progress up the ranks, the work would be different, but it would still be draining since big4 is a very competitive environment.

    Any good exit opportunities when you jump to industry? How many years should you work in the field as an IT auditor to be desirable when you make the jump?

    -I agree with Jilly Beans. Most people make the jump when they become senior. I am constantly getting emails, linkedin emails and calls to ask me go into industry. I have seen people leaving after 1 year, making senior and making manager, so when to exit depends on you. But having at least 1 busy season under your belt is definitely good experience.

    Hope this helps!

    #649310
    TNCPA16
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    Good luck kettlecorn and keep us posted on how it goes! One other fun fact…IT auditors typically make more money than financial auditors. Another perk 🙂

    #649311
    kettlecorn
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    Thank you for the response. I'm working on a possible job opportunity in that area! Honestly it sounds like a lot more what I would like compared to financial audit

    #649312
    kettlecorn
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    double post

    #649313
    kettlecorn
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    I got a question actually. Why are you pursuing your CPA? I understand IT audit and advisory usually doesn't require the CPA particularly if you decide to jump off to industry or work up the IT audit/IT ladder

    #649314
    MydnightDarkfyre
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    @ Kettlecorn – I can tell you personally why I am pursuing a CPA while employed in IT audit…

    1. You have to have a CPA to make partner and sign off on the audit.

    2. Opportunities – why limit yourself? If I have a CISA and a CPA, the world is completely open to me. What if I decide later on I'd rather go into Tax or Financial audit? Already have my CPA then…

    3. $5000 bonus (at least at my big 4) for passing. 🙂

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    BEC: 76 (Becker) 11/26/2014
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    #649315
    TNCPA16
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    Part of the reason I'm doing it is personal and part is professional. Like I said earlier, I was a Financial Auditor before switching to IT. I have a BS in accounting and management, and an MBA with a concentration in accounting. I had started the CPA exam when I got out of school, but wasn't committed to it. So part of me still wants to accomplish that goal I had started.

    For IT Audit, really the certification you need is the CISA – which I have. The CPA isn't required (unless you plan on becoming partner one day), but it is helpful to have. I've learned that most Financial Auditors do not understand the IT side of business at all – so it helps if on the IT side we have a good grasp of the business side. Having a CPA gives me some credibility with the Financial team that I do know what I am talking about when I push back on them (which I do, a lot!) Plus, if I ever wanted to start up an Internal Audit department or lead an IA department, a CPA will be beneficial.

    #649316
    Anonymous
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    MydnightDarkfyre is absolutely spot on!! I have the option to not do my CPA but with 150 credits and incentives, it's hard to convince myself not to take it! If you want to make it to Partner one day, having a CPA is a must. (Without a CPA, you can be a principal or ED) There are a lot of partners with CPA that specialize in IT External Audit in my firm

    #649317
    kettlecorn
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    Ooh interesting that makes sense. Thanks. I have yet to know if I want to pursue partner I mean that's a long way down the road but that's good to know. I know I was told CISA is another possibility though esp going the IT audit route.

    #649318
    ridiqls
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    Can someone tell if me when IT audit's busy season usually ends?

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