[KEMcpa]

I found this article at the PayScale website and thought I’d share.

https://blogs.payscale.com/salary_report_kris_cowan/2012/07/8-reasons-you-didnt-get-the-job.html?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=2012-07+Salary+News&utm_term=8+Reasons+You+Didn%27t+Get+the+Job&cm_mmc=Email-_-2012-07+Salary+News-_-NA-_-8+Reasons+You+Didn%27t+Get+the+Job

Licensed Texas CPA!

[Anonymous]

Would you agree that there is a very fine line between “a salary you're entitled to” and thhat the employer tries to low ball to cut costs?

for example, because the economy is bad, A LOT of employers request MORE production but do NOT want to pay for what is being asked.

How do you think a job seeker should handle that?…I don't want to be paid less just because the economy is bad. I mean it is not so bad when Top Execs can STILL get severance packages to upward 10+ millions.

I just SMH sometimes at an employers “justifications” of the salary they may offer you.

But I agree with everything else.

[Anonymous]

@AccNewbieMom

I agree with you 100% that is what is happening. I learned from from posters on this site that its best not to request a certain salary or range, but ask for an amount that best matches their idea of a fair offer for your background.

[Anonymous]

@dumguy_cpa

“I agree with you 100% that is what is happening. I learned from from posters on this site that its best not to request a certain salary or range, but ask for an amount that best matches their idea of a fair offer for your background.”

Yeah but that's the other thing, what the “employer thinks” your background (whether it be good or bad) may not “fairly” match the salary you “Should” be receiving. I just hate when people say you should be happy that you have a job! That like seriously drives me NUTS!

The older generations, especially those baby boomers(yep talking about my parents too,don't care lol) had pretty damn easy compared to young professionals today. As a young professional, your college tuition has increased by over 200%

in the past 15 years! Has salary increased at that rate? Fuck no! But I am supposed to be happy with the 50k in student loan debt I will be in, can build my damn credit because I cannot find a effing job that pays “worth” a damn and just settled on the idea that I probably will never own a house because I personally don fee like paying an additional 6k in property taxes, insurance/maintenance fees annually.

Sorry I'm ranting but I seriously want to ban that phrase! “Well, you should be happy you have a job!” If I have to get a BA, MA, CPA license,(possibly another certification) and get 50k+ in debt JUST to make a “living” wage not that 7.67 BS like ANYONE could “realistically” live on that WITHOUT government assistance, then you damn right, I fucking demand a job and anyone else who had to sacrifice for higher education should too! I may sound a bit cocky but I'm not, I just do not like to settle for “this is ho things are”.

If Legislators want to “help” the economy, try raising minimum wage to 10.00 so then people can make a “living wage” and stop relying on our tax dollars. It as if GOP “secretly” encourages public dependency! I mean I guess it would make sense because it would RESTRICT socio/economical mobility which would allow them to easily stay at the top. #Conspiracy theory #Crazytalk o_O (Just something to think about people)

Guess I have to start my own firm to gt things rolling the right way!

[Anonymous]

“If Legislators want to “help” the economy, try raising minimum wage to 10.00 so then people can make a “living wage” and stop relying on our tax dollars. It as if GOP “secretly” encourages public dependency! I mean I guess it would make sense because it would RESTRICT socio/economical mobility which would allow them to easily stay at the top.”

Why stop at $10.00/hr? I say make it $50.00 per hour!!! Then give everyone free health care, free dental care and a new car every two years. We're all ENTITLED, aren't we?

Seriously now, an education doesn't grant everyone the “right” to a “good” job and an education doesn't make anyone smart. What is a “good” job anyway? I think the definition of a “good job” is just as elusive as the definition of “rich”. If education costs are so expensive, we, ourselves (not the government) need to find other ways to fund it…I happened to use the GI for some (but not all) of mine. I also applied for, and received, scholarships – both avenues that are open to many people but they may not choose the same path as I did in order to take advantage of the opportunities. We don't live in a fancy house in a fancy neighborhood because we cannot afford to and/or simply choose not to so that we are not slaves to debt. All three vehicles are paid for. We can afford to feed and provide medical care to two dogs – but probably couldn't afford to provide it for additional dogs – so we've limited ourselves to just two of them. We also limited ourselves to 1 child…we couldn't afford to have more. BOTTOM LINE, WE ALL NEED TO PRACTICE SELF RESTRAINT and it is our duty as a citizen to do put forth our best efforts to become the people we want to be – it is NOT the responsibility of society to ensure we get there. What I see way too much of is too many people want to bring the top down rather than bringing the bottom up. It's a very disturbing trend.

“Guess I have to start my own firm to gt things rolling the right way!” AccNewbiemom, please check back in after a couple of years and tell me how that works out for you. In theory it sounds great (i.e. giving the minimally qualified a starting rate of $10.00/hr) but after a few years of real world experience I suspect you'll change your mind – or you'll be out of business.

[Mr. Mini]

“I don't want to be paid less just because the economy is bad.”

I found this to be a bit silly. This is just how things work in a down economy. Why would an employer higher you for the wages you are asking when they could hire either (i) someone of your quality willing to work for less or (ii) someone of better quality willing to work for the wage that you want? Unless you have a specialized skill or certain industry knowledge, you will just be a commodity subject to the ebbs and flows of the economy.

Just because someone has education does not mean they are entitled to a job. Education does not always translate to valuable work skills. Also, i find it amusing when people complain about taking on 50k in debt. Nobody is forcing debt on anyone. If you don't have the funds for school, you are often much better off going to junior college for two years and then transferring to a state school for your remaining two years while working and paying for tuition. Too many people are looking for the easy path or the free ride. Quite often, the choices you make put you in the position that you are in.

[mla1169]

Acct newbie mom, do you pay your babysitter $150/hr because that's what he or she is worth? I mean there is no more valuable service to be provided. Of course not, because then you wouldn't be able to pay your other bills. And if a sitter, no matter how qualified demanded that much you'd find someone who would do it for the going rate. Why should businesses pay more than they have to? If SOMEBODY will do a job for $13/hr that's who will get the job.

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[round1]

@CPA_AnyDayNow

agree with most of the things you said, but one: scholarships for grad school. I was looking for those, but couldn't find anything but 1K for one semester. That was it. Everything else came out of my pocket and st. loans. Maybe if one enrolls into a PhD program, things get easier (in financial terms). Much more funding for advanced level grad students, that Macc ones.

Yet, I've always thought that a “smart firm (individual) can finance growth through debt”, but even more I support the idea of not “living beyond one's means.”

DONE!

[Anonymous]

Round1~

I guess my whole point is that of personal responsibility. Nobody is MAKING anyone take out loans to go to school…some of us have the GI bill, scholarships, and have worked to pay for our education. There are similar opportunities (i.e. WORK) for everybody on this forum. I work-studied my way through a B.S. making $6.00 per hour!

If you are an adult and still live with your parents, it's not wrong to understand that you still need to abide by their rules. Likewise, if you want ME to pay for any portion of your education or other on-going expenses (medical (i.e. medicaid), housing (i.e. Section 8), food (i.e. food stamps), etc.), understand that I want, and should have, a say in the matter. However, as long as you don't seek financial support in any way, shape or form from me, I'll keep my mouth shut and you can pursue any personal ambition you wish. Likewise, I'd expect the same criticisms and/or courtesies extended to me based on my asking anyone to fund my education and/or living expenses.

The takers outnumbering the givers is going to be the downfall of country!

[round1]

I don't get the last comment at all. My point was that you HAVE to pay for grad school, no shortcuts there. So why did you have to write about ‘help from government or whatever ‘ when it is (and always was) non-existent in this case?

And I don't believe I've seen many students on public assistance anyway. I don't think they would qualify for any of these programs.

Try think outside the box: let's say a person wants to get an accounting degree, but his major was in a different area of study. “Easyfix” – go for a MAcc or similar thing. No ‘gov help' whatsoever available if you go this route, and DoEdu gets 6.8 percent back (nice interest in an era of 0.25p).

DONE!

[Anonymous]

Employers make any excuse for not hiring anyone. Sneeze during the interview and they think you're ill and will cost a lot of money on health insurance premiums so no hire.

[Mr. Mini]

@bob – Do you believe what you wrote or was that an attempt at humor?

[KEMcpa]

Take a minute and try to think like the employer. What kind of person would you want to hire? How would you set salaries? Would you hire you?

Another thing to consider while interviewing is that an interview is a 2 way street. As much as the potential employer wants to determine if the applicant is a good fit for the company, the applicant needs to be very honest in evaluating whether the position and company atmosphere is a good fit for you. It does no long-term good to GET a job that is not a good fit for either employee or employer.

I have learned that when I focus on serving the needs of clients and my employer that I am blessed and my needs are met. Whenever I am tempted to demand more, I am reminded to cultivate an attitude of gratitude.

Licensed Texas CPA!

[MeaDebitum]

This thread is almost as good as the “Diversity” thread from the other week.

[Anonymous]

nothing will top the diversity thread, evarrr

[Just PlainPA]

“Just because someone has education does not mean they are entitled to a job. Education does not always translate to valuable work skills.”

Mr. Mini, you are on point with this statement. In fact, you just hit the core problem square on the head.

What America is experiencing is that a lot of its people are trying to make themselves marketable in the workforce by getting what they think is extra education by way of advanced or specialized degrees in order to land a job. The problem is, what many people think is education is actually schooling. Because education is an ongoing lifelong process of learning how to live effectively, efficiently, and productively. Schooling is simply a means to an end; learning how to learn, or rather, being trained. We don't know how to market ourselves effectively. If we did, we wouldn't need to get so much “education”. The problem isn't with high college tuition, or the need to take out thousands of dollars in student loans. The problem is, the system is “running game” on us, and we're falling for the okey-doke. Once we stop facilitating this vicious cycle, then tuition will fall, and thus, the need to borrow so much in order to be “educated” in order to land a job that we really don't care to do.

Just my thoughts.

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