Should I make a change or stick it out with current employee longer?

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    Anonymous
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    So I’m about 6 months from finishing my experience requirement and I just finished my first busy season in tax. Got this job right out of college started in October. Basically I hate it. I like my coworkers fine super small firm 2 partners me and one other accountant been here over 10 years but doesn’t hates her job and refuses to pursue a CPA she stopped doing taxes and just does payroll which is why I was hired.

    I knew going in some entry level salaries from friends going into big 4 but I knew this place is way smaller and our community is hurting for jobs with lots of people leaving an already small town so even though I wanted more I took a 35k salary since I had no better prospects. The partners here are very successful and our firm deals with very high net worth individuals and their companies and trusts so my busy season was actually very nice with regular 8-5 and then 3 hours on Saturday. I sometimes think I’d like to stay and move up here but I don’t see raises coming fast enough and I really do hate my job. I’m debating leaving after I get all my experience but I wonder if 1 yr will be enough to make a good move ideally I’d like to get out of tax and I plan on opening a financial planning firm ( trusts estates retirement) eventually but that’s a 5 yr plan to get the capital and experience I need.

    Can anyone recommend staying vs leaving and what kind of jobs I could look for. When I got this job I had an offer from the DOR as an auditor but the salary was $25k and I couldn’t live on that even with the nice benefits. Our community is crumbling but my fiancé can’t leave his job here that he loves so I feel stuck. Also does anyone think I can ask for a large raise after I become fully licensed? I’d like to be making $45k but I wonder if I asked for a 5k or 7k raise if I’d have any luck or if that’s too much to ask for after only a year.

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    you getting licensed will command a raise, let alone asking for one.

    why do you hate your job? is it not challenging enough? boring tax input data entry stuff? can you ask for more responsibility? everyone likes go-getters.

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    Missy
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    Bottom line is if you're unhappy you should be looking to see what else you can find, but if the job market in your area is as challenging as you say, you may have to find a way to make the best of your current situation. I certainly wouldn't leave without having something else lined up that you've given careful consideration to.

    Regarding the raise, I wouldn't expect a small firm to give a 29% increase upon licensing but I guess it could happen. Again it really comes down to supply and demand in your area, if someone else can and will do what you do for $35k, and recent grads are clamoring for jobs you may not have much leverage.

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    #773334
    Andyred04
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    I have the same thought process as eesti, wait until you get licensed and then demand a raise even if it is as much as $5-10k. If I were you I'd try to have an alternative position lined up just to give you some leverage but if you're dealing with the caliber clients you say you are they should have the available funds to boost you to a reasonable pay level.

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    #773335
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    I'm in a small town, too. Actually, I thought I recognized your similar small-town stories from a previous post, so checked your prior topics and saw I'd commented on one when you were looking for a job before. 🙂 But as I said there, I'm in a town of about 3,000 people; next towns over are 7,000 and 8,000. Specifically in the town I live in, there's not many people who move in or out of town, so everyone knows everyone and is related to most of them. My family moved to town a few years ago, then the rest of my family moved away, so I'm a stranger in town with an accent to prove it whether I want to or not. So, I understand the small-town thing, and also somewhat the small-town outsider (not sure if you're still feeling that way, but from your prior post it sounded like the small-town everyone-knows-everyone-but-I-don't was part of the issue). The area I live in has a poor economy and low wages. My first job was in public accounting and paid about half of what you're getting paid (was $8/hr, got a raise to $9/hr)…and this wasn't back in the dark ages – just about 3 1/2 years ago! So, I completely get where you're coming from.

    That being said…

    I would definitely agree with what others have said about ensuring that you have a new job opportunity lined up before doing anything that could jeopardize this one. I know how rare accounting job openings are in a small town, especially ones that aren't already filled by someone who knows someone who is related to someone, so to do anything that could mess up your job future where you are without having something else lined up wouldn't be a good move. Demanding a certain figure of a raise is an example of something that would, in my mind, jeopardize your current job. Do you know if your current employer bills out based on the credential of the person doing the work, so would bill out at a higher rate for work that you do as a CPA than work that you do as a non-CPA? If so, then they'll be making more money off of you, and I think a more substantial raise – in the $5-7k range like you're hoping for – is more likely. Not for certain, but that's the only way I'd see it happening. If not, then the only thing that makes you worth more today than you were on the day they hired you is the knowledge that you've gained since you started working for them, and they'll likely feel like they “earned” that knowledge to some extent. So, if they don't bill more for your work as a CPA than they did as a non-CPA, then I would anticipate a smaller raise – say 5-10% on a good day, which would be 1.5-3.5k.

    Generally speaking, you're more likely to get the raises that you “deserve” by switching jobs than by getting raises. At my first job, I got a $1 raise (which, granted, was around 12.5% because my pay was so low to start with), and it was pretty clear that was all I was getting for a good while. So, I switched jobs after about a year, and got an approx. 50% raise. Now, given you're starting higher than I did, I'm not saying that you're guaranteed a 50% raise, too, but I think there's more potential for getting market pay by switching jobs than by sticking around for raises. (Note: a 50% raise was market for my credentials at the time and for my area…like I said, pay is low here. That was still less than $30k/yr, but it was good for the area.)

    As to your question of whether a year is long enough or not – the only way to really know is to put some feelers out there and see if you get any “bites”. Start watching for jobs and applying. Be aware of how tight-knit the public accounting world is, though, if you're wanting to stay in public. I was jumping to private after my 1 year in public, so wasn't too worried about word getting back to my boss that I was looking; however, the public community where I worked was pretty tight-knit, so I would have been hesitant to apply to other public firms, since he knew most of the owners and I would have been concerned that they would have called him and said “Hey so your employee is applying here..”. So, be aware of what connections the owners of your firm have and what impact that may need to have on your job search. Still, though, the only way to know if a year's experience is enough to improve your job search is to try your job search and see if it goes better now than it did a year ago. For me, a year made a world of difference – it was enough to get me into private accounting, which is what I'd wanted to do but a field which always required experience.

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    Anonymous
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    just to clarify: i said having a CPA will command* a raise. don't confuse it with demand* a raise. there are obvious differences between the two.

    #773337
    Anonymous
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    Thanks for the advice to be clear I'd never dream of leaving without having something lined up first. But like Lilla says small towns everyone knows your business. I want to go into private but the only opportunity I see is at local bank has auditors and they have other higher positions I may one day want. They have mobility but the problem the older controlling partner has his hand in everything since he's been around 40+ years and he sits on the board so no chance to keep that a secret.

    For those asking why I'm unhappy and if I can ask for different responsibilities the answer is the old partner is controlling. He actually doesn't want new clients or new jobs and will treat people who walk in like crap to hope they won't come back. He is very set in his ways. He's nice to the office but even though on day one he told me he wanted me to stay here as my career and make partner I've learnt that he began with about 6 partners and for the last 20 or so years he's only allowed one other partner besides himself only moving someone up when someone dies or leaves. He can talk about me making partner in 5-10 years all he wants but his actions show he just wants control and that path is unlikely to happen. Since I see no mobility this also makes me miserable.

    A final note jobs across all industries are lacking here but I do not have a ton of competition. We have a local university but it's terrible and too worried about adding new study fields to actually make their currents ones any good. They have a small business school but most students aren't taught about the CPA exam and don't even know they need extra hours. to be licensed. I went away to college and came back so I have an advantage since no one actually want these grads anyway.

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