Accrual to cash/cash to accrual

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  • #1684499
    Hank Scorpio
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    For the cash to accrual I can just use a JE, is that correct? Increase in AR, DR AR, Decrease, CR AR and so on. Does that mean for accrual to cash, I to a reverse of a JE? Having trouble nailing this down.

    AUD - 71, 79
    BEC - 69, 74, 75
    FAR - 71, 74, 80
    REG - 74, 78

    FAR - 10/3/16
    BEC - 69 - 10/31/16
    AUD - November 2016
    REG - December 2016

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  • #1684502
    Anonymous
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    If you remember accounting equation assets=liabilities+equity (revenue-expense)

    You can get ∆assets=∆liabs+∆equity
    =>> ∆cash+∆AR+∆prepaids+∆inventory+∆other assets=∆AP+∆accruals+∆other liabs+net income

    Then you shall resolve any cash to accrual or accrual to cash problems easily and quickly.

    #1684630
    Hank Scorpio
    Participant

    So when you work a problem, you setup that equation and solve for cash for the accrual to cash? I'm a JE learner so I've been setting them up with JE's and trying to solve.

    AUD - 71, 79
    BEC - 69, 74, 75
    FAR - 71, 74, 80
    REG - 74, 78

    FAR - 10/3/16
    BEC - 69 - 10/31/16
    AUD - November 2016
    REG - December 2016

    #1684946
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Most time. I don't memorize the equations of all those cash/accrual that you can find in all CPA review material and college textbooks. Every time, I just write down ∆A=∆L+∆E, then I plug in changes on both sides to get the result. This helps me very quickly to solve cash/accrual and cash flow questions.

    #1686145
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I realize this is a late reply to this thread, but after working *many* such problems on FAR and also not understanding the logic behind it for a few years, I came up with my own shortcut method.
    Actually, two of them.

    Example…this is a variation of an MCQ problem in Roger's FAR that I ran across.
    “Debits to operating expenses are 150. Prepaid Expenses increased by 30 and Accrued Expenses increased by 100. How much of the operating expenses were paid with cash?”

    Way 1 (harder): Debits to expense = Cash-paid + NET Accrued Expenses. What is Net Accrued Expenses? It's Accrued Expenses less Prepaids. 70, in this case.
    150 – 70 = 80.

    Way 2 (a complete cinch):

    Op Exp 150 – Dr.
    Prepaids 30 – Dr.
    Accrueds 100 – Cr.
    Cash 80 – Cr.

    We could change up this problem and make it so that prepaids DECREASED by 30 and accrued exp DECREASED by 100. It would then look like this:

    Op Exp 150 – Dr.
    Accrueds 100 – Dr.
    Prepaids 30 – Cr.
    Cash 220 – Cr.

    When you get a question like this on the exam, the only way to do it is with a shortcut method. Otherwise, you will waste tons of time messing around with equations. JE method is always the best and easiest. I remember banging my head against the wall with this long ago – the textbook I had for Intermediate Acct. did some long explanation about it that was muddled and then you were supposed to memorize a bunch of pluses and minuses (Beginning Prepaids – Beginning Accrued Exp + Ending Prepaids – Ending Accrued Expenses = Cash, I think it was).

    Anyway, I hope my method is helpful. I will add…I got a question somewhat like this on a test I had to take for a job interview this past year. I nailed it immediately thanks to this shortcut and…I got hired.

    #1686487
    Hank Scorpio
    Participant

    Thanks. I'm still confused if I should use the JE for both accrual to cash and cash to accrual. Looks like the example you gave me was an accrual to cash. So do I just go against the grain for cash to accrual?

    AUD - 71, 79
    BEC - 69, 74, 75
    FAR - 71, 74, 80
    REG - 74, 78

    FAR - 10/3/16
    BEC - 69 - 10/31/16
    AUD - November 2016
    REG - December 2016

    #1686542
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @Hank – yes, that method is interchangeable. Suppose they asked you for the debits to operating expenses figure, given prepaids, accrueds, and that the rest were paid with cash.
    Or, they could even ask you for the figures for prepaids or accrueds. It all works, either with the JE method or with the equation I gave above. You just can't have two unknowns in one equation.
    Cash to accrual is just the reverse of what I mentioned. Perhaps you can dig up a problem and try it out – it should work.

    #1686955
    Hank Scorpio
    Participant

    Thanks. Been working problems. The only issue I'm having is with gains (losses) and depreciation. I can work my way around those, though by adding back or taking out from NI. I think I've got it down now. Thanks for your help @crazyleon.

    AUD - 71, 79
    BEC - 69, 74, 75
    FAR - 71, 74, 80
    REG - 74, 78

    FAR - 10/3/16
    BEC - 69 - 10/31/16
    AUD - November 2016
    REG - December 2016

    #1687039
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Yes, most cash-to-accrual problems should simply require a determination of whether cash was used in the transaction(s) or not, then adding/subtracting it from net income. No complicated journal entries needed.

    #1687079
    Hank Scorpio
    Participant

    Journal entries aren't complicated.

    AUD - 71, 79
    BEC - 69, 74, 75
    FAR - 71, 74, 80
    REG - 74, 78

    FAR - 10/3/16
    BEC - 69 - 10/31/16
    AUD - November 2016
    REG - December 2016

    #1687651
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    JE's make life easier!! For me anyway. It's also called “The Solution Method”.
    One thing that they really like to test is knowledge of how the income statement comingles with the balance sheet. Yes, they're independent….mostly. But, where do we get retained earnings? It's a permanent account! Net income adds to retained earnings! Depending on the problem, I don't know how well the JE method works but just using the “Assets on one side, Liabilities/Equity on the other side” and balance the totals works. I think the way those problems go is something like “net assets increased by X dollars. Retained earnings increased by Y dollars. What was net income?” It's one of those sneaky-type MCQ's, not a SIM question usually.

    #1803356
    Ramana
    Participant

    Can someone solve this questions using equation vs. Crazyleon's method above?
    In the equation method, Allowance for Doubtful Acct of 30K would have to be counted as a positive figure on the left of the equation to get the right answer.
    In Crazyleon's method, you it would be a Credit and still lead to the wrong answer. I think the only way to solve is through T-accounts/ Base equation. Been going over these Wiley questions in the TB and consumes so much time!
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    Marr Corp. reported rental revenue of $2,210,000 in its cash basis federal income tax return for the year ended November 30, year 2. Additional information is as follows:

    Rents receivable – November 30, year 2 $ 1,060,000
    Rents receivable – November 30, year 1 800,000
    Uncollectible rents written off during the fiscal year 30,000
    Under the accrual basis, Marr should report rental revenue of

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