REG – Corp Tax re: DRD + Charitable Contributions

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  • #1792498
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    Hey all,

    Just a question with a scenario I haven’t encountered in any MCQs yet (I’ve run through a decent amount so far):

    I understand the rules regarding charitable contributions (10 % of taxable income before charitable ded./DRD/NOL carryback/Capital loss carryback) as well as DRD rules i.e. 70/80% limits based on if the DRD limits reduce taxable income to a loss, and if not and there is still a profit then the % deductions are based on the taxable income before deduction is taken and not as a % of the dividends.

    My question is if the taxable income regarding DRD includes charitable contribution deduction? I assume it does but I know if I run into this on the exam I’d be second guessing myself like crazy. Typing this kind of spastically at work so apologies if it’s unclear I’ll wait until later to clarify it, thank you.

     

     

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  • #1792545
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    Taxable income for DRD DOES include the charitable contribution deduction. I just made sure to write that down the other day.

    One of the blueprint topics:
    -Analyze the impact of the charitable contribution and/or dividends received deductions on the net operating loss calculation of a C corporation

    This seems likely to be a SIM. My understanding is that charitable contributions cannot create an NOL? So you'd have to back it out?

    #1793303
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    @ The People's Champ – Thank you! It's simple but I feel like it's those small details that get tested and you either know it or you don't (as opposed to crazy complex calculations).

    Regarding charitable deductions not being used if it creates an NOL, great question and I have no idea. I just browsed my Roger sections pertaining to it and didn't find anything in particular, and did a quick google search and didn't find anything either…can anyone shed some light?

     

     

    #1793491
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    In Year 5, Wein Corporation had a net loss from operations of $50,000, which included a deduction for charitable contributions of $2,000. In addition, Wein received dividend income of $10,000 from a 15%-owned domestic corporation. What is the amount of Wein's net operating loss for Year 5?

    $45,000
    $49,000
    $55,000
    $59,000

    #1793494
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    Wein's charitable contribution is not deductible for tax purposes since a net loss was incurred. A dividends-received deduction (DRD) is allowed.

    A dividends-received deduction reduces taxable income. In addition, there is no limit in deducting 70% of dividends received if a net operating loss is either created or increased.

    According to the instructions for Form 1120, U.S. Corporation Income Tax Return, “in a year in which an NOL occurs, this 70% limitation does not apply even if the loss is created by the dividends-received deduction.” (IRC Sections 172(d) and 246(b))

    Loss from operations $(50,000)
    Dividends 10,000
    Total income (loss) $(40,000)

    Add back charitable contributions 2,000 A charitable contribution
    is not deductible for tax
    purposes since a loss
    occurs. According to the
    scenario, the $2,000 was
    already included in the
    $50,000 net loss from
    operations.
    Loss before $(38,000)
    Less: DRD deduction
    (70% x $10,000) ( 7,000)
    Net operating loss $(45,000)
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    The dividends from a less-than-20%-owned domestic corporation are allowed a 70% special deduction. The $10,000 in dividend income Wein Corporation received from a 15%-owned domestic corporation would be reported on line 1 in Schedule C of Form 1120. The totals of line 1 through 8 in Schedule C are then subject to a taxable income limitation. A corporation's percentage dividends-received-deduction (DRD) for any tax year cannot exceed a certain applicable percentage of its taxable income. There is a worksheet for Schedule C, line 9, in the Form 1120 instructions that helps a taxpayer determine the amount of the taxable income limitation. A corporation's DRD is generally limited to 70% of its taxable income. This income limitation does not apply for any tax year for which the shareholder has an NOL.

    This is not saying that the corporation gets a 100% DRD when there is an NOL in that tax year. Instead this taxable income limitation is determining what amount of the 70% DRD is going to be allowed based upon the corporation's income. Due to the NOL, Wein Corporation is allowed to deduct 100% of its 70% special dividend deduction, or $7,000.

    #1793497
    Anonymous
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    Ran into this question earlier today and hopefully this will help you guys out.

    #1794362
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    @ cpa_me_23 Thank you for the example! Cleared it up perfectly!

     

     

    #1794415
    Anonymous
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    Def know this for the exam

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