April 20, 2019 at 12:36 pm #2342790
So what is YOUR sacrifice for the CPA exam???
For me, it is, the extra food I'm eating that I shouldn't be eating (health)
The excercise that I am not getting (health)
Time with family
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A college Virgin to the CPA Gods.April 20, 2019 at 12:55 pm #2342814
Side note: I had a professor of Organizational Culture, she was a younger pretty lady, who said she used to be a CPA, and I guess she ran into some issues that made her want to switch fields. I can only guess but I assume that the office atmosphere at accounting firms is probably pretty sexist…Yes! I said it!.April 25, 2019 at 7:53 am #2352777
@Roze – please don't generalize. It really depends on the firm. I worked at a firm w/ 200 employees and over half my department were females from top to bottom. On a senior manager level, there were actually more females than males. Females were very well respected at my firm and in fact, my peer group's highest raise was given to a female.April 25, 2019 at 11:09 am #2353116
Jimmy G and the BoysParticipant
The accounting profession is actually dominated by women. I assume the issues that your professor had were related to the actual profession itself if she's in that different of a field.April 25, 2019 at 12:15 pm #2353239
Maybe more EVIDENCE of racism opposed to sexism. Yea I said it! My opinions and observations are my very own. And btw, im not a “minority” or whatever label the establishment uses to refer to people these days.April 25, 2019 at 12:30 pm #2353245
Unless you looked her up and found her as a member of the state board for whatever state she was practicing it's hard to know if she was ever a CPA AT ALL. I have a neighbor who is a PhD in biology who told me he was a CPA in my state before changing fields.
I never doubted him, but was just curious about whether he was still licensed and kept up with his CPE so I looked him up one day. But when I looked him up on the state board's site his name was nowhere to be found (though it lists people ever licensed whether active inactive, withdrawn, suspended, etc. all the way back to the forties).
As it turns out, his experience as a “CPA” was that he was the Home Owner's Association treasurer before I moved into the neighborhood…yes…I'm serious. He just thought ANY type of accounting was “CPA”.April 25, 2019 at 1:36 pm #2353425
In addition to all of the above, it could be that she simply wanted to do something else, like, say, teach Organizational Behavior? A ton of people get a CPA at 23 or 24 and many, many of them will figure out they want a career other than accounting. I'm sure there is a “sexist atmosphere” at some firms, but this professor could have left for any of a million other reasons. It's beyond bizarre to go straight to that one.April 25, 2019 at 2:13 pm #2353587
Well…that is very encouraging…I don't know why I thought that. I think just comments she made, that sort of hinted that it wasn't a good atmosphere…I don't know why I assumed she weas descriminated against? What is wrong with me? I gotta start studying for some FAR and get all this nonesense out of my head. I guess I have experienced some wierd experiences that some people might classify as “Sexual harrassment”…just uncomfortable…and, I was suspicious of everyone's motives. anyways…on with life. thanks for everyone's two cents.April 25, 2019 at 6:35 pm #2353950
Everyone wants to be a victim. Newsflash to everyone with a victim-hood complex: life is hard for everyone, not just you.April 26, 2019 at 11:03 am #2355081
Yikes. This thread is a mess. I don't think its fair to say “everyone is a victim” when sexual harassment/racism/discrimination/etc are all real issues in society–and honestly, if its a society issue, then its also a workplace issue. Having said that, I think companies are getting better at promoting diversity, inclusion, and overall wellbeing of their employees. Even though, there have been a couple recent cases in prominent accounting firms where things were mishandled, I'd like to think majority of the companies will not tolerate inappropriate behavior.April 26, 2019 at 11:42 am #2355120
Gonna tip toe back out of this thread… what a mess indeed.April 26, 2019 at 12:36 pm #2355228
TommyLParticipantApril 27, 2019 at 7:06 pm #2358642
Don't mean to bump this again but I the reason I derailed this thread is because I was a bit offended at the “college virgin” comment.April 30, 2019 at 1:03 pm #2363718
If you were that offended by someone making an obvious joke in an online thread where people go to blow of steam and express their worries about an impossible exam, then you are going to have a really hard time making it in the real world, let a lone the world of business.April 30, 2019 at 1:16 pm #2363748
Let's all simply walk away and live to fight another day. Love, peace, and chicken grease!April 30, 2019 at 2:35 pm #2363943
@anaccountant…you are totally right…I don't play victim, I truly do just care too much about stupid things that don't matter…Only thing that helps me is my faith…I literally have to pray every day to stay at peace. I just don't get how people can be so blah.May 1, 2019 at 8:04 am #2366457
HAHA! It's not a mess at all! Mentioning real societal issues get people so uncomfortable lol it's hilarious. I'm no victim nor a member of the most marginalized groups in this country and i STILL acknowledge that privilege (color and gender) is very much real. Accounting firms and all financial services look a lot like the 1950's in leadership… and that's real evidence… Ok… back to accounting I guess…May 1, 2019 at 8:28 am #2366550
@Tommy, thanks!May 1, 2019 at 9:36 am #2366919
@Tommy – you gotta be kidding me.
It's not mentioning real societal issues that made everyone uncomfortable. Clearylost3772 (formerly known as Roze) stated that she knew a professor who changed fields and immediately assumed that it was because of sexist environment.
I am open to having an educated/intellectual conversations about “real societal issues,” but not w/ someone that makes guesses and jumps to conclusions and gets offended at “college virgin” comment.May 1, 2019 at 10:08 am #2366991
LOL @ “formerly known as Roze”!!! @Jombe there was definitely some jumping to conclusions. And Clearylost3772 (formerly known as Roze) isn't my friend. Don't know her from Eve (using context clues to reasonably assume gender). But the reality is that when we bring up sexism and racism in general people shy away. And that's why it remains such an issue. I'm speaking in general… because we're only CPAs. We can maybe fix tax returns but maybe not the world.
But since you'd like to have an educated/intellectual conversation about real societal issues answer this: In your humble opinion, Is racism prevalent in society in general and is there evidence of racism within the accounting industry specifically? I only made it to Senior at a Big 4 but i witnessed insensitive comments and other intentional acts that seemed to be more than coincidences. And disclaimer: my thoughts are my very own and im not trying to offend anyone.May 1, 2019 at 10:11 am #2367003
Jimmy G and the BoysParticipant
Nobody here is uncomfortable, we just don't understand how she even came to that conclusion.
Regardless, vehemently claiming privilege exists when you aren't a victim in this discussion makes me raise my eyebrows at your authenticity.May 1, 2019 at 10:31 am #2367054
“Is racism prevalent in society in general and is there evidence of racism within the accounting industry specifically?”
Let me first say I am a Korean American. According to US Census Bureau, Asians made up 5.8% of US population as of July'18, which makes me a minority.
W/ that said, do I believe racism is “prevalent”? Based on my personal experience, I am going to say no. I was born in Missouri. lived in a small town (population of 75) in Indiana for 3 years. Went to college in Indiana as well. Spent 7 years in California and now 3 years @ Colorado. Was I ever discriminated because of my race? Sure, few times here and there through out 30+ years of my life. I've been called a “gook.” I met people that made slanted-eye gestures. I was pushed into a locker for being who I am. For the most part though, I was treated w/ respect from people I met in my personal life and in the accounting industry.
Now, do I believe racism is non-existent? Of course not. I am aware that it happens, but the issue I usually have w/ these kinds of discussion is the generalization. Whether we are talking about racism or sexism, we should talk about it in a specific context. I understand that's not always feasible, but it's usually the “generalization” that makes me uncomfortable.May 1, 2019 at 11:34 am #2367201
@ Tommy – when did Isay you are my friend? I'm just saying thanks for saying that this thread isn't a mess…I thought I was the blame for the “mess” since I derailed the topic. Me taking the lady's organizational culture class happened like 6 years ago. I don't remember what she said that made me “assume” that she had negative experiences…I have had negative experiences myself.
Think it goes both ways, my former landlady said her and her friend were trying to get men in the office excited just by the way they stood and posed while looking at papers. And my former manageer had an affair with my former colleague, she actually punched out vacation time for him and her and went to his house where his wife walked in on them…he ended up in divorce, and her husband forgave her…but then that same dude was stopping at my cubicle seeming very interested…People just need to understand what profesisonalism means. That is all…
I know how to earn respect with everyone pretty much…But i can't respect people who make dirty jokes. or just jokes of sexual nature in anyway…Really bothers me. How low can ya sink. I am just from a different culture, and things like that just absolutely baffle me…Accountants are apparently smart aren't they?
If I own a freaken business, I will get to decide who I hire and serve and for whatever reasons I deem important, and you can't call me racist, or sexist or whatever, but when it comes to simply being professional, and knowing where the line is, I will always honor that!May 1, 2019 at 11:36 am #2367213
@Jimmy G and The Boys…I care not about your eyebrows. Go study FAR… with love 🙂
@Jombe… Thanks for sharing. It's funny how we tend to ignore evidence. That's why in my very first response on here i capitalized “evidence”. For free: People we meet and know personally more than likely dont have the clout to control or affect institutionalized racism. But hey, in America it's our prerogative to do and believe what we please. That's why so many come to this country. Land of the Free and Home of the Brave!
Ok yall thanks for the conversation. Tommy Out!May 1, 2019 at 2:25 pm #2367579
my sacrifice was reading through this thread in its entirety.
Thankfully skynet offered a glimmer of entertainment in this otherwise hot mess of a thread.
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