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January 16, 2017 at 11:40 am #1442007AnonymousInactive
I recently graduated college and have been working in public accounting for about 3 months. I have already passed all parts of the CPA exam.
Why do companies think so highly of candidates who have public accounting experience? I personally don’t think a lot of the work we do really adds value. Oh boy, we make sure there is proper approval for invoices/checks, whoopty doo.
The managers and partners are the ones who are learning about the client and their industry, while the associates and the seniors and just testing items such as cash, AP, AR, prepaid, etc.. But if you have 2-3 years of public experience, most companies want to hire you, I just don’t understand.
What makes public accounting experience so beneficial?
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January 16, 2017 at 11:45 am #1442012MissyParticipant
Twofold, first they want someone who will anticipate the stuff the auditors will look for so the audits just go quicker, second they want someone who will almost build a rapport with the auditors and deal with them easily.
Also its just raising the bar………if you're going to get 60 resumes for a position its a filter so you only have to actually examine ten of them.
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Finance/Admin/HR ManagerJanuary 16, 2017 at 11:45 am #1442015ThomasHallbergParticipantI think it has something to do with us not repeating the same procedures everyday. We are constantly looking at something new. New processes, assessing new controls, scoping risk, planning, managing. All of these are more attractive when comparing to a corporate accountant performing the same task every quarter. Not that this is a bad thing, but preferred. I could be wrong, but this is what I have been told.
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January 16, 2017 at 11:51 am #1442019Small4ParticipantI always look at it as a “stepping stone” for those who eventually want to leave public accounting for industry. More chances than not, the bosses/directors came from public accounting themselves and lasted years of the grueling work and random deadlines…so they have this “affection” to those who spent a few years in public accounting too. Its not a guarantee that that person will be great fromm public accounting, but I think perhaps its better than gaining experience with just one scenario (one company vs client service)
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January 16, 2017 at 11:56 am #1442027AnonymousInactiveI agree with mla-if you are going to be in a managerial position and have to deal with auditors or audits, you need public accounting experience.
January 16, 2017 at 11:57 am #1442028Scared-cpaParticipantI find this to be interesting, as well. I am not working yet but have been in contact with a recruiter in the city I plan on moving to. He also said that companies “love” if you have public experience. And don't we have to have public experience anyway to get licensed? We do in Kentucky, anyway.
Forgive me for my ignorance, but what exactly does “public” mean? I always considered public to mean governmental, but it doesn't seem that is what it means for experience.
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January 16, 2017 at 12:13 pm #1442043MissyParticipantPublic in terms of accounting is a CPA firm, one that provides audit, attest, tax and other services. They are not governmental.
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Finance/Admin/HR ManagerJanuary 16, 2017 at 12:17 pm #1442054Scared-cpaParticipantOkay, thank you for the clarification because every time I say that to someone they're like, “So you need to find a government job?” and I always say no, it doesn't have to be government but I don't know how to tell them exactly what it means lol. Luckily I will just let my recruiter deal with that for me!
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January 16, 2017 at 12:52 pm #1442079ruggercpa2bParticipantAt the firm that I worked when you got to senior level you had a lot moer responsibility than just testing cash. You actually had to do industry research and also learn about the client. You were responsible for putting together the risks and the areas that you needed to focus on during the audit. Our audits looked at controls but we also tested financial statement assertions. By the time you got to senior level you had a good understanding of GAAP and the financials. You could look at a client's financial statements and be able to ask questions and also be able to know what JEs needed to be done for any adjustments that needed to be made due to your findings.
I think at 3 months you really have not been exposed to much especially as a first year. And I think its too soon to dismiss the public accounting experience.
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January 16, 2017 at 1:21 pm #1442106Ndom1ParticipantExactly what rugger said. 3 months is too little experience to see what senior level people are actually doing, not just AR AP, etc.
I have been in public for a little over 4 years at a medium sized regional firm. I am running a lot of our A&A jobs which involve IFRS based financials, entities with single audit requirements, and various for profit entities. During fieldwork, sure I am tackling the more advanced sections like Inventory and revenue, but planning for these jobs with the client is a big job in itself. Also, it's not just the partners responsibility to know the clients business inside and out – I can't properly plan for an engagement if I don't know the client or how they operate. Also, I have a good number of staff below me so I am reviewing their work and guiding them through new areas. What I am getting at is public accounting is bar none the best experience an accountant can have because it trains you indirectly on many business facets.
Also I just sat for my first exam on 1/13 (auditing).
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REG - 78GJanuary 16, 2017 at 3:25 pm #1442204AnonymousInactive@scared_cpa – In KY, experience doesn't have to be public – it can be public, private, government, IIRC even teaching accounting college courses can count with enough of it. I was licensed in 2012 with part-private and part-public, but just looked on cpa.ky.gov and the statutes are still the same:
Obtains one (1) year of accounting or attest experience while employed in an accounting or auditing position in public practice, academia, industry, or government that shall be verified by a certified public accountant who, during the time being verified, held an active license to practice from any state.
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I think part of the reason that candidates with public experience are hired is the “I went through it, so you need to too” type thing. They know they're good at what they do, and they did xyz to get there, so surely everyone else needs to have xyz to be any good. There's also an element of it that people think, due to the sheer variety, you'll have to have been exposed to good methods in accounting. You'll see clients that are pretty bad, but surely you'll see some good ones, too. Whereas if I hire someone with 20 years of experience all at one place, all they'll know is how their employer did things, which may or may not be good. So, in a way, public is seen as a “standardized curriculum” for experience. Because of that, it's valued in the same way that the CPA is valued over a high GPA, cause the CPA exams are standardized, but the GPA could be different from one school to another for the same level of knowledge.
I will say that my year in small-firm tax/bookkeeping/payroll accounting has helped me out in ways I didn't think it would at the time. I got a touch of exposure to many different things, which enabled me to have a clue at least about what I was doing in several different areas of accounting. I can help answer questions for our HR/Payroll lady related to IRS guidelines on payroll, and I can pick up our sales tax return and figure it out without anyone showing me, and I can check a trial balance for oddities, etc. etc., several different pieces of accounting. My other accounting job that I had prior to my current Controller job was working in AR/revenue for a large international company; I learned there a lot of very useful skills and information, too, but it was much narrower. So, I learned things about internal control and policies which have helped here, but they were all in the context of revenue. So, even though I didn't do auditing during my time in public, I have to admit that the exposure to all parts of the accounting life-cycle and in various industries did help me to excel better in my career.
Note: I've never actually hired someone with public experience (had to stop and think for a minute there…), so it's not that I am one who will only hire public experience, but I also haven't hired for many positions. I'm just starting to realize some of what my year in public did give me, even though at the time it seemed like mind-numbing work that a computer could do if you just programmed it right, and I didn't see at the time how it was really benefiting me, except for allowing me to meet “experience required” job postings.
January 16, 2017 at 4:58 pm #1442285sallybreannParticipantWhat @ruggercpa2b said. I’ve been in public accounting for two years and working as an auditor. Learning the ins and outs of our clients’ business, accounting systems, control environment plus how to assess risk, interview our clients, present our audit to a board of directors, plus project management is huge, training new staff like yourself so you can become a strong team member. I could go on and on! I’ve never worked in industry so I do not mean to discount the experience you get there but as far as public accounting experience, it is very valuable to a potential employer. You may also find you enjoy public accounting and want to become partner – you never know.
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